West Memphis 3 /// Part 3 ////// 42 

West Memphis 3 /// Part 3 ////// 42 

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Part 3- Jessie, Jason and Damien Oh My.... 
We discuss some police tips and Jessie Misskelley, Jason Baldwin and Damien Echols. We will try to get to the bottom of it all. Are they guilty? If not who is, Mark Byers? Terry Hobbs? The strange man seen at the Bojangles? Join us for this double feature, the follow up to yesterday's show. Welcome to the after party! 

Beer of the week - Elvis Juice by Brew Dog 
Garage Grade - 4 out of 5 bottle caps 
Cheers, Nic and the Captain 

33 comments

  • Amanda

    Amanda Mississippi

    You've re-ignited my obsession with the West Memphis 3 case.. I had forgotten all about it. Love your show by the way.. been binge listening about a month while working and am caught up now, you guys are my favorite true crime show!

    You've re-ignited my obsession with the West Memphis 3 case.. I had forgotten all about it. Love your show by the way.. been binge listening about a month while working and am caught up now, you guys are my favorite true crime show!

  • Peter Gunn

    Peter Gunn New Joisey

    Just listened to part 3. Fine job me lads. Keep up the great work.

    Just listened to part 3. Fine job me lads. Keep up the great work.

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous Oakland

    Thank you for reminding me that the police "investigation" of this case makes me want to jam hot pokers in my eyes. Major murder cases like this should never be left in the hands of the local cops. The saddest part - aside from 3 innocent kids spending all those years locked up - is that the murdered children have never had the justice they deserve. What a goat rodeo.

    Thank you for reminding me that the police "investigation" of this case makes me want to jam hot pokers in my eyes. Major murder cases like this should never be left in the hands of the local cops. The saddest part - aside from 3 innocent kids spending all those years locked up - is that the murdered children have never had the justice they deserve. What a goat rodeo.

  • Wesley

    Wesley San Diego

    Thanks for the amazing and informative podcast. I stumbled upon it a few months ago and have been hooked ever since. I listened to all the back episodes I could. I love that I agree and disagree with you on so many points, but the fact remains that we have a common love...good beer. Great show and keep up the amazing podcast, I have been telling everyone about it.

    Thanks for the amazing and informative podcast. I stumbled upon it a few months ago and have been hooked ever since. I listened to all the back episodes I could. I love that I agree and disagree with you on so many points, but the fact remains that we have a common love...good beer. Great show and keep up the amazing podcast, I have been telling everyone about it.

  • Monica

    Monica Florida

    New listener here, enjoyed all three WM3 episodes. You showed both sides pretty much equally and that is rare with this case.

    New listener here, enjoyed all three WM3 episodes. You showed both sides pretty much equally and that is rare with this case.

  • luke

    luke Alaska

    Great show guys. I just wish you had more of a follow up in regards to the weird ass stuff Damien has been up to since being released. I personally believe they are guilty.

    Great show guys. I just wish you had more of a follow up in regards to the weird ass stuff Damien has been up to since being released. I personally believe they are guilty.

  • Deb

    Deb Florida

    I was wondering if this crime was ever profiled? My impression is that none of these people did this crime. I'm totally an armchair detective, usually interested in what types of people commit these types of crimes. I just get the feeling that this crime was committed by someone who had done something like this before. There is deviant and organized behavior by the unsub. Does anyone else get that impression?

    I was wondering if this crime was ever profiled? My impression is that none of these people did this crime. I'm totally an armchair detective, usually interested in what types of people commit these types of crimes. I just get the feeling that this crime was committed by someone who had done something like this before. There is deviant and organized behavior by the unsub. Does anyone else get that impression?

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    Wesley Thank you for the kind words sir! Captain

    Wesley
    Thank you for the kind words sir!

    Captain

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    Deb In West of Memphis the doc they had someone profile the case. Interesting stuff Captain

    Deb
    In West of Memphis the doc they had someone profile the case. Interesting stuff

    Captain

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    Luke We have thought about doing a show about where are they now the WM3. Maybe we will revisit that idea. Captain

    Luke
    We have thought about doing a show about where are they now the WM3. Maybe we will revisit that idea.

    Captain

  • Heyitsgary

    Heyitsgary

    This was a very interesting podcast after listening I watched and read everything I could on the case. Personally I think they are guilty but it was a very suspicious investigation. I have never heard the first season of the podcast is there somewhere I can find it? Keep up the good work!

    This was a very interesting podcast after listening I watched and read everything I could on the case. Personally I think they are guilty but it was a very suspicious investigation.
    I have never heard the first season of the podcast is there somewhere I can find it? Keep up the good work!

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    Heyitsgary It's in the iTunes store and in our website store. Thanks for listening Captain

    Heyitsgary

    It's in the iTunes store and in our website store. Thanks for listening

    Captain

  • Tricia

    Tricia Michigan

    [quote=Heyitsgary] This was a very interesting podcast after listening I watched and read everything I could on the case. Personally I think they are guilty but it was a very suspicious investigation. I have never heard the first season of the podcast is there somewhere I can find it? Keep up the good work! [/quote] Did you watch West of Memphis?

    Heyitsgary wrote:

    This was a very interesting podcast after listening I watched and read everything I could on the case. Personally I think they are guilty but it was a very suspicious investigation.
    I have never heard the first season of the podcast is there somewhere I can find it? Keep up the good work!

    Did you watch West of Memphis?

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    Tricia Yea I watched ever doc I could Captain

    Tricia

    Yea I watched ever doc I could

    Captain

  • Emma

    Emma Boston

    For some reason I cannot get part three to either download or stream on my phone's podcast app. Has the episode been taken down? Or is there another way that I can access it! Muchos gracias!

    For some reason I cannot get part three to either download or stream on my phone's podcast app. Has the episode been taken down? Or is there another way that I can access it! Muchos gracias!

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    Emma • Boston I will work on that. Sorry Captain

    Emma • Boston

    I will work on that. Sorry

    Captain

  • Jason L

    Jason L Skokie

    Hey, what's the song/samples from at the beginning of episode 3? Love the podcast.

    Hey, what's the song/samples from at the beginning of episode 3? Love the podcast.

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    Jason L • Skokie All songs are created by the Captain.

    Jason L • Skokie

    All songs are created by the Captain.

  • Amanda Riley

    Amanda Riley WV

    The Alford plea isn't the boys saying they are guilty. It's them stating they are innocent, but can see why they were found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt based on the evidence presented. In this case, it's a BS plea because of the lack of evidence and the shoddy police work. It leaves no room to sue for wrongful conviction and covers the judicial system's asses. It got them out, but didn't get them true justice.

    The Alford plea isn't the boys saying they are guilty. It's them stating they are innocent, but can see why they were found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt based on the evidence presented. In this case, it's a BS plea because of the lack of evidence and the shoddy police work. It leaves no room to sue for wrongful conviction and covers the judicial system's asses. It got them out, but didn't get them true justice.

  • Celina Q

    Celina Q France

    Bonjour, I started listening to your podcast through iTunes. I love it! But the episodes start with the second part of the West Memphis 3, there's nothing before that. Especially the firsts part of this one! As I don't want to listen to 2 and 3 without one! How can i do to listen to the old ones? I looked in your link (store) but couldn't find them either. Please help!!!! thank you Capt and Nic! Cx

    Bonjour, I started listening to your podcast through iTunes. I love it! But the episodes start with the second part of the West Memphis 3, there's nothing before that. Especially the firsts part of this one! As I don't want to listen to 2 and 3 without one! How can i do to listen to the old ones? I looked in your link (store) but couldn't find them either. Please help!!!! thank you Capt and Nic!
    Cx

  • Rachel

    Rachel KY

    First O-H!....I love your podcast and your jib I'm from Cbus living in Midway KY and was so excited to learn that my FAVORITE podcast was in my hometown which made it that more personal for me because when you talk about certain places in or around Columbus It felt like I was home again..... Like hey I know EXACTLY where that is! I'm an over the road truck driver and absolutely binge on all of your episodes sometimes I have to force myself away just to wait for more to compile so I can binge again I truly believe I have an addiction so thanks for that but besides that I love all the beer recommendations and just because of you guys I have expended my palate! Keep it up truly a wonderful job!

    First O-H!....I love your podcast and your jib
    I'm from Cbus living in Midway KY and was so excited to learn that my FAVORITE podcast was in my hometown which made it that more personal for me because when you talk about certain places in or around Columbus It felt like I was home again..... Like hey I know EXACTLY where that is!
    I'm an over the road truck driver and absolutely binge on all of your episodes sometimes I have to force myself away just to wait for more to compile so I can binge again I truly believe I have an addiction so thanks for that but besides that I love all the beer recommendations and just because of you guys I have expended my palate! Keep it up truly a wonderful job!

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    Thanks Rachel! Safe travels and of course.... I-O! Nic

    Thanks Rachel!
    Safe travels and of course....
    I-O!
    Nic

  • Jenni

    Jenni Tacoma, WA

    I really feel like the bloody guy in the bathroom is a key part of this case. I think them losing the DNA evidence from the bathroom is them failing and losing the smoking gun. I feel like the M3 were just blamed because they weren't well behaved smart individuals. Probably just 3 idiots. I think if the DNA from the bathroom is found and tested it will blow this case wide open.

    I really feel like the bloody guy in the bathroom is a key part of this case. I think them losing the DNA evidence from the bathroom is them failing and losing the smoking gun. I feel like the M3 were just blamed because they weren't well behaved smart individuals. Probably just 3 idiots. I think if the DNA from the bathroom is found and tested it will blow this case wide open.

  • rob

    rob michigan

    love the podcast...the part 3 i downloaded seemed to start out much further along then where part 2 ended....did anyone else have this issue

    love the podcast...the part 3 i downloaded seemed to start out much further along then where part 2 ended....did anyone else have this issue

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    Sorry for that Rob. May just be a one time glitch. Nic

    Sorry for that Rob. May just be a one time glitch.
    Nic

  • Bailey

    Bailey Columbus, OH

    Anyone following Truth and Justice with Bob Ruff? The newest season is covering this case. Lots of things I didn't know and a lot of clarifications about some of the questions I've always had about the autopsies, bindings, area, etc. Definitely worth following if this case keeps you up at night.

    Anyone following Truth and Justice with Bob Ruff? The newest season is covering this case. Lots of things I didn't know and a lot of clarifications about some of the questions I've always had about the autopsies, bindings, area, etc. Definitely worth following if this case keeps you up at night.

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    We've been listening and the Captain recommended this to Garage listeners a while back. Cheers -Nic

    We've been listening and the Captain recommended this to Garage listeners a while back. Cheers -Nic

  • chris lee

    chris lee minnesota *eh*

    seems alot of "satanism" stories in the news in the early 90's.. look up the child sex preschool ring in Calif, **later found FALSE** the killings,shootings of peeps who listened to "certain" heavy metal bands---one dude survived s.i.g.s.w to face, see Judas Priest, etc... i never thought Damien E and the other two were guilty...something was not ringing true.. thanx Nicky my boy and el Capain for a great pod, again!

    seems alot of "satanism" stories in the news in the early 90's.. look up the child sex preschool ring in Calif, **later found FALSE** the killings,shootings of peeps who listened to "certain" heavy metal bands---one dude survived s.i.g.s.w to face, see Judas Priest, etc...
    i never thought Damien E and the other two were guilty...something was not ringing true..
    thanx Nicky my boy and el Capain for a great pod, again!

  • C Kirk

    C Kirk South Carolina

    Long time listener, love the show. I listened to this episode in early July 2018, so this may be old hat by now. I just wanted to point out something. I did DNA finger printing from hair samples in college as part of my studies. I know for a fact that hair doesn't contain DNA inside the strand. If DNA is found on a hair, it's because cells from the hair follicle (in the scalp) are still attached. The hair we shed naturally from our bodies, typically doesn't have any cells from the follicle on them. If you pull a single hair from your head with some force (before its ready to fall out on its own), that little white glob on the scalp end, is follicle cells. They got Terry Hobbs' DNA from the hair tangled in the knot of the shoelace binding one of the boys. The chances of a naturally shed hair, containing follicle cells, ending up at the exact point of the knot in the shoelace, not being shaken off when it was removed from the shoe or when it was used as binding, is astronomical. Terry Hobbs tied that knot. In the process, a hair was pulled from his hand due to the tension of pulling it tight. Other people have been rightfully convicted of murder on this exact type of evidence. He has a history of violence. He knew the boys' routines. He knew they liked to play in those woods. He's a trusted authority figure, that all the boys knew. The vast majority of crimes against children are committed by relatives. Also, one other correction, and another reason I'm so sure: Typically when forensic investigators say a sample is consistent with only __% of the population, they either mean of the total human population, or less often, they mean of the population of the continent, ie North America. Also, they sometimes mean within the total population of a particular racial group, bit they almost always say so, if thats the case. Either way, that's a number in the millions to tens of millions, not 1 in 250. They wouldn't be able to know the percentage of that DNA marker configuration, in that town, without hundreds of DNA profiles of current residents, which wouldn't have been available in the mid 90s. I don't understand why Terry Hobbs isn't sitting in prison right now. Please don't take this comment personally in any way. Only a teeny tiny number of people have studied genetics, microbiology, statistical analysis, etc., in any depth. You guys are doing great work, especially on cold cases. I really appreciate the general aire of respect for the victims and families. Keep up the good work.

    Long time listener, love the show. I listened to this episode in early July 2018, so this may be old hat by now. I just wanted to point out something. I did DNA finger printing from hair samples in college as part of my studies. I know for a fact that hair doesn't contain DNA inside the strand. If DNA is found on a hair, it's because cells from the hair follicle (in the scalp) are still attached. The hair we shed naturally from our bodies, typically doesn't have any cells from the follicle on them. If you pull a single hair from your head with some force (before its ready to fall out on its own), that little white glob on the scalp end, is follicle cells. They got Terry Hobbs' DNA from the hair tangled in the knot of the shoelace binding one of the boys. The chances of a naturally shed hair, containing follicle cells, ending up at the exact point of the knot in the shoelace, not being shaken off when it was removed from the shoe or when it was used as binding, is astronomical. Terry Hobbs tied that knot. In the process, a hair was pulled from his hand due to the tension of pulling it tight. Other people have been rightfully convicted of murder on this exact type of evidence.

    He has a history of violence. He knew the boys' routines. He knew they liked to play in those woods. He's a trusted authority figure, that all the boys knew. The vast majority of crimes against children are committed by relatives.
    Also, one other correction, and another reason I'm so sure: Typically when forensic investigators say a sample is consistent with only __% of the population, they either mean of the total human population, or less often, they mean of the population of the continent, ie North America. Also, they sometimes mean within the total population of a particular racial group, bit they almost always say so, if thats the case. Either way, that's a number in the millions to tens of millions, not 1 in 250. They wouldn't be able to know the percentage of that DNA marker configuration, in that town, without hundreds of DNA profiles of current residents, which wouldn't have been available in the mid 90s.
    I don't understand why Terry Hobbs isn't sitting in prison right now.

    Please don't take this comment personally in any way. Only a teeny tiny number of people have studied genetics, microbiology, statistical analysis, etc., in any depth. You guys are doing great work, especially on cold cases. I really appreciate the general aire of respect for the victims and families. Keep up the good work.

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    @ C Kirk, Your comment is fantastic and you have a wealth of knowledge on everything you presented. So I truly hate to leave such a short response to your very informative post. We did know the hair info you presented. We both agree TH should be considered a strong suspect however I'm not willing to say with 100% certainty that he is the killer. Nic

    @ C Kirk,
    Your comment is fantastic and you have a wealth of knowledge on everything you presented. So I truly hate to leave such a short response to your very informative post. We did know the hair info you presented. We both agree TH should be considered a strong suspect however I'm not willing to say with 100% certainty that he is the killer.
    Nic

  • C Kirk

    C Kirk South Carolina

    Thanks for the reply, Nic! You shouldn't say it outright, whatever you think. Having no trial, much less a conviction, he'd be within rights to sue you guys into the poor house; defamation and such. I don't have any sort of public media following, so I'm not too worried about that myself. 😉

    Thanks for the reply, Nic! You shouldn't say it outright, whatever you think. Having no trial, much less a conviction, he'd be within rights to sue you guys into the poor house; defamation and such. I don't have any sort of public media following, so I'm not too worried about that myself. 😉

  • Sarah

    Sarah Raleigh, NC

    I know this podcast was released a few years ago but I’ve just now stumbled upon the series. I found this theory to be incredibly interesting about this case and it makes more sense than anything, IMO. Hope you look into it! https://thewestmemphispuzzle.blog/

    I know this podcast was released a few years ago but I’ve just now stumbled upon the series. I found this theory to be incredibly interesting about this case and it makes more sense than anything, IMO. Hope you look into it! https://thewestmemphispuzzle.blog/

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    Thank you for posting this Sarah it's good material. I hope you will read "The Devil's Knot" don't bother with the movie its not much like the book. The book has a lot of actual evidence and facts that are simply lacking from the Paradise lost docs and the Devil's Knot movie which is really just a dramatic reenactment of what happened and what could have possibly happened. In the book they specifically address the statements of Vicki and her son very thoroughly. Check it out its a great book. Cheers Nic

    Thank you for posting this Sarah it's good material. I hope you will read "The Devil's Knot" don't bother with the movie its not much like the book. The book has a lot of actual evidence and facts that are simply lacking from the Paradise lost docs and the Devil's Knot movie which is really just a dramatic reenactment of what happened and what could have possibly happened. In the book they specifically address the statements of Vicki and her son very thoroughly.
    Check it out its a great book.
    Cheers Nic

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