West Memphis 3 /// Part I ////// 40 

West Memphis 3 /// Part I ////// 40 

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Part 1 - The Robinhood Hills Murders 
May 5, 1993 between the hours of 8pm and 10pm three sets of parents called police and each reported their son to be missing. It was quickly determined the three 8 year old boys were last seen together and they may have wondered into the woods on the edge of the neighborhood. The following afternoon police pulled the three dead boys from a drainage ditch located in the Robinhood Hills woods. The findings and investigation would be the subject of many books and movies to come. 

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40 comments

  • SB

    SB Los Angeles

    I have followed this case since I was adolescent watching the first HBO documentary. After the first movie, I was convinced the WM3 were innocent. After the second movie, I was convinced the WM3 were innocent and Byers was the killer! By the time I reached young adulthood and had access to the internet, I began reading websites and some of the actual case files. When you let yourself be divorced from the movies and just focus on the facts and the accused, I think it is pretty simple to reach the conclusion the WM3 were guilty. With that said, I think there were gross negligence on the part of the police department and the prosecutor's office. It's clear to me now that the small town just was not prepared to take on a case like this and many mistakes were made. However, bumbling cops and bad prosecutors can still bring forward a good case. That's my feeling on this. As I became older, I went back and watched those early documentaries and as each one went by, they became less and less objective and contained more hero worship and propaganda than fact. To those of you convinced Terry Hobbs is the killer, and moved by the "evidence" against him, rewind yourself back to the 2nd movie, and remember how convinced you were Byers was the killer. These film makers are very clever and can weave together a tapestry of "facts" that could really make anyone seem guilty. It is sad they never put that level of scrutiny on the WM3 themselves. The facts of the case are pretty simple. You have a very charismatic leader, a cult of personality if you will in Dameon Echols. He is intelligent, cunning, but absolutely disturbed. His psychological profile and behavior history is an absolute nightmare. However, he was well within his power to recruit two less suspecting and easily impressionable accomplices. The WM3 committed those murders, the fact there were three separate knots were used to tie up 3 victims raises some eye brows, more so, in my opinion than any fragmented DNA fiber that might have matched Hobbs. Let's not forget, Hobbs was the step father, these kids played at his house, it is not unreasonable to think some transfer material would be found. Additionally, step-fathers are capable of abusing their kids, this does happen, some even murder them, however, very few murder their step-son and his entire play group too. That doesn't fit. The three murders fit the 3 suspects. Three victims, three suspects, Occam's razor tells me that is more probable. The idea 1 man controlled and killed three kids in that manner is a stretch. Mark my words, Damien Echols is a very sick person who adores adulation and the spot light. Before he leaves this earth he will have the last laugh and admit to these killings. As the first movie showed, he wants to be rememered as the boogie man, he relishes that.

    I have followed this case since I was adolescent watching the first HBO documentary. After the first movie, I was convinced the WM3 were innocent. After the second movie, I was convinced the WM3 were innocent and Byers was the killer! By the time I reached young adulthood and had access to the internet, I began reading websites and some of the actual case files. When you let yourself be divorced from the movies and just focus on the facts and the accused, I think it is pretty simple to reach the conclusion the WM3 were guilty. With that said, I think there were gross negligence on the part of the police department and the prosecutor's office. It's clear to me now that the small town just was not prepared to take on a case like this and many mistakes were made. However, bumbling cops and bad prosecutors can still bring forward a good case. That's my feeling on this. As I became older, I went back and watched those early documentaries and as each one went by, they became less and less objective and contained more hero worship and propaganda than fact. To those of you convinced Terry Hobbs is the killer, and moved by the "evidence" against him, rewind yourself back to the 2nd movie, and remember how convinced you were Byers was the killer. These film makers are very clever and can weave together a tapestry of "facts" that could really make anyone seem guilty. It is sad they never put that level of scrutiny on the WM3 themselves.

    The facts of the case are pretty simple. You have a very charismatic leader, a cult of personality if you will in Dameon Echols. He is intelligent, cunning, but absolutely disturbed. His psychological profile and behavior history is an absolute nightmare. However, he was well within his power to recruit two less suspecting and easily impressionable accomplices. The WM3 committed those murders, the fact there were three separate knots were used to tie up 3 victims raises some eye brows, more so, in my opinion than any fragmented DNA fiber that might have matched Hobbs. Let's not forget, Hobbs was the step father, these kids played at his house, it is not unreasonable to think some transfer material would be found. Additionally, step-fathers are capable of abusing their kids, this does happen, some even murder them, however, very few murder their step-son and his entire play group too. That doesn't fit. The three murders fit the 3 suspects. Three victims, three suspects, Occam's razor tells me that is more probable. The idea 1 man controlled and killed three kids in that manner is a stretch.

    Mark my words, Damien Echols is a very sick person who adores adulation and the spot light. Before he leaves this earth he will have the last laugh and admit to these killings. As the first movie showed, he wants to be rememered as the boogie man, he relishes that.

  • Janey

    Janey

    Beer donation on the way! Should be in your hands by Friday 7/29. Enjoy!

    Beer donation on the way! Should be in your hands by Friday 7/29. Enjoy!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Janey love you thanks!!!

    Janey love you thanks!!!

  • Koolmeg

    Koolmeg

    Now I'm into the "meat and potatoes" of part two it's very reminiscent of the Netflix show "Stranger Things"!! The emotions in the show are probably similar to what these parents were going through!! What a crazy story!

    Now I'm into the "meat and potatoes" of part two it's very reminiscent of the Netflix show "Stranger Things"!! The emotions in the show are probably similar to what these parents were going through!! What a crazy story!

  • Michelle Collingwood

    Michelle Collingwood Brisbane, Australia

    I absolutely love your podcasts! Thank you both for interesting listening.... and sometimes amusing (in a good way)...

    I absolutely love your podcasts!
    Thank you both for interesting listening.... and sometimes amusing (in a good way)...

  • Heather

    Heather Portland, OR

    I've followed this case for quite awhile, read all the Callahan files, the WM3 supporters and those that think they are guilty, and I think of the case much like OJ. Pure and simple, sloppy police work and in this case "experts" who weren't truly experts is at the heart of the matter. I think OJ is guilty and bad police work kept him from being convicted. In the case of the WM3, I think bad police work got a false conviction. Personally, I think the WM3 are innocent. The facts in the case just don't add up to three random teens killing three random boys. It's just not as likely as them being killed by someone they knew. Damien stands out in a crowd pretty easily which is part of what made him a target in the first place. With all the witnesses that day, someone would have seen him or noticed him going into or coming out of the woods. Jesse has an alibi. Damien did as well (it might not have been a strong one, but he did have one). Jesse was not a reliable witness and his confession, whether coerced or not, is a mess and he changes his story so many times that it's not credible. Pam Hobbs was married to Terry and witnessed first hand the way he treated her son and the way her son felt around him. She believes he did it, and Amanda has horrible stories of how he abused her. If he abused his own biological daughter, what makes anyone think he wouldn't be violent toward his step son? His actions that night are sketchy and he doesn't have a good alibi. Every time they interview him, he looks nervous. He had knowledge of the specific types of knots that were used and the way they were tied up. Sure, the hair could have been secondary transference because the boys were over at his house and could have picked it up, but, Pam says that she found Stevie's pocket knife in a box of Terry's things and she knows that Stevie carried it everywhere and would have had it on him that day. If that's the case, how did it end up with Terry? And, a witness saw him doing laundry and cleaning that night, which he was not known to do, and he had changed clothes between driving Pam to work and picking her up. That seems a little strange. My personal theory of what happened is that the boys went into the woods and didn't come back when they were supposed to. Terry (and maybe his friends) went looking for them. They were pissed because the boys hadn't come back as they were told and he lashed out in anger and it went too far. I think he injured Stevie badly or thought he had killed him and had to kill the others because they saw what happened. I don't think he set out to kill him. I think it got out of control. Either way, he should have been investigated further and been ruled out properly. I still think he should be investigated, but as long as the WM3 are legally still convicted of the crime, the case can't be reopened. I met Damien and Lori at a speaking engagement a few years back and I don't think he's guilty of anything other than being an odd guy. He is very smart, well spoken, and charismatic, so I can see how someone could think of him as being a "cult leader". I think he's just an odd guy who is interested in the occult world, and the only thing he's guilty of is being that guy in a bible belt town. If he had been a regular Joe, no one would have thought twice about him. But, being strange doesn't make you a murderer. He has met the parents (except the Moore's who still believe they are guilty), and neither Pam nor Mark Byers believe they are guilty and they have rallied to reopen the case. If you are guilty of a crime and got released without serving your full sentence, you wouldn't be asking for the case to be investigated further. You would quietly move to Mexico and thank your lucky stars that you got away with what you did. That's not what the WM3 are doing. Jason actively works with the Innocence Project and is in law school. I can't see how anyone could be that bold if they were guilty of murder. Time will tell, I suppose, if they ever reopen the case, or someone has evidence or a real confession. In the meantime, three little boys are still dead and no matter whether you believe the WM3 are guilty or not, justice hasn't been served. When I met Damien, he says that he thinks eventually the case will be reopened, but only when there is a "changing of the guard", and those people who were running the investigation are long gone from their jobs and it's a fresh batch of investigators come in. In the meantime, we wait.

    I've followed this case for quite awhile, read all the Callahan files, the WM3 supporters and those that think they are guilty, and I think of the case much like OJ. Pure and simple, sloppy police work and in this case "experts" who weren't truly experts is at the heart of the matter. I think OJ is guilty and bad police work kept him from being convicted. In the case of the WM3, I think bad police work got a false conviction.

    Personally, I think the WM3 are innocent. The facts in the case just don't add up to three random teens killing three random boys. It's just not as likely as them being killed by someone they knew. Damien stands out in a crowd pretty easily which is part of what made him a target in the first place. With all the witnesses that day, someone would have seen him or noticed him going into or coming out of the woods. Jesse has an alibi. Damien did as well (it might not have been a strong one, but he did have one). Jesse was not a reliable witness and his confession, whether coerced or not, is a mess and he changes his story so many times that it's not credible.

    Pam Hobbs was married to Terry and witnessed first hand the way he treated her son and the way her son felt around him. She believes he did it, and Amanda has horrible stories of how he abused her. If he abused his own biological daughter, what makes anyone think he wouldn't be violent toward his step son? His actions that night are sketchy and he doesn't have a good alibi. Every time they interview him, he looks nervous. He had knowledge of the specific types of knots that were used and the way they were tied up. Sure, the hair could have been secondary transference because the boys were over at his house and could have picked it up, but, Pam says that she found Stevie's pocket knife in a box of Terry's things and she knows that Stevie carried it everywhere and would have had it on him that day. If that's the case, how did it end up with Terry? And, a witness saw him doing laundry and cleaning that night, which he was not known to do, and he had changed clothes between driving Pam to work and picking her up. That seems a little strange.

    My personal theory of what happened is that the boys went into the woods and didn't come back when they were supposed to. Terry (and maybe his friends) went looking for them. They were pissed because the boys hadn't come back as they were told and he lashed out in anger and it went too far. I think he injured Stevie badly or thought he had killed him and had to kill the others because they saw what happened. I don't think he set out to kill him. I think it got out of control. Either way, he should have been investigated further and been ruled out properly. I still think he should be investigated, but as long as the WM3 are legally still convicted of the crime, the case can't be reopened.

    I met Damien and Lori at a speaking engagement a few years back and I don't think he's guilty of anything other than being an odd guy. He is very smart, well spoken, and charismatic, so I can see how someone could think of him as being a "cult leader". I think he's just an odd guy who is interested in the occult world, and the only thing he's guilty of is being that guy in a bible belt town. If he had been a regular Joe, no one would have thought twice about him. But, being strange doesn't make you a murderer. He has met the parents (except the Moore's who still believe they are guilty), and neither Pam nor Mark Byers believe they are guilty and they have rallied to reopen the case. If you are guilty of a crime and got released without serving your full sentence, you wouldn't be asking for the case to be investigated further. You would quietly move to Mexico and thank your lucky stars that you got away with what you did. That's not what the WM3 are doing. Jason actively works with the Innocence Project and is in law school. I can't see how anyone could be that bold if they were guilty of murder.

    Time will tell, I suppose, if they ever reopen the case, or someone has evidence or a real confession. In the meantime, three little boys are still dead and no matter whether you believe the WM3 are guilty or not, justice hasn't been served. When I met Damien, he says that he thinks eventually the case will be reopened, but only when there is a "changing of the guard", and those people who were running the investigation are long gone from their jobs and it's a fresh batch of investigators come in. In the meantime, we wait.

  • Tim

    Tim Chino Hills, Ca

    Heather, They will never re-open the case, because they plead guilty as part of a plea bargain rather than risking reconviction in order to clear their names. The plea was such that they were allowed to enter it without admitting guilt, but as far as the justice system is concerned they are the individuals responsible for the murders. This means the strength of the doubt their supporters have raised will never be tested by the legal system, the police won't have worry about finding other killers, and the killers won't have to worry about life imprisonment or lethal injection. Very convenient for everyone, except the real West Memphis 3, the murdered boys.

    Heather,
    They will never re-open the case, because they plead guilty as part of a plea bargain rather than risking reconviction in order to clear their names. The plea was such that they were allowed to enter it without admitting guilt, but as far as the justice system is concerned they are the individuals responsible for the murders.
    This means the strength of the doubt their supporters have raised will never be tested by the legal system, the police won't have worry about finding other killers, and the killers won't have to worry about life imprisonment or lethal injection. Very convenient for everyone, except the real West Memphis 3, the murdered boys.

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous Millington, NJ

    Just want to compliment you guys on an absolutely excellent series of three, and let you know what a thrill it was to get them so close together!!!! I'm sorry your workload on this is punishing but we are loving how often we get to hear you. Despite this being a highly covered case that I have seen and heard so much media on, the way you presented it was still fascinating and had me hanging on every word. Great work!

    Just want to compliment you guys on an absolutely excellent series of three, and let you know what a thrill it was to get them so close together!!!! I'm sorry your workload on this is punishing but we are loving how often we get to hear you. Despite this being a highly covered case that I have seen and heard so much media on, the way you presented it was still fascinating and had me hanging on every word. Great work!

  • Beth

    Beth Baltimore

    In my opinion I don't think you should be able to interrogate anyone under a certain IQ level. I have worked with this population for over 12 years and not to say that you can't believe them but they can become confused easily. They also tend to want to please people and tell them what they want to hear. I know I am stereotyping but with my experience with people who have lower level IQ's - you have to throw Jesse's testimony out the window.

    In my opinion I don't think you should be able to interrogate anyone under a certain IQ level. I have worked with this population for over 12 years and not to say that you can't believe them but they can become confused easily. They also tend to want to please people and tell them what they want to hear. I know I am stereotyping but with my experience with people who have lower level IQ's - you have to throw Jesse's testimony out the window.

  • Julie

    Julie Arlington, TX

    I'm really enjoying your pod cast. I have a theory about the knots. I've always believed the killer was a lone custodial homicide where Stevie Branch was the main target of the rage. the other boys were tied where the knots were all the same because the killer believed that they were incapacitated enough and did not believe either would fight back. But for SB's case the killer tied him in such a way his dominant side held the strongest knots because the killer had experience with him fighting back by scratching, punching and kicking. He was intentionally left conscious to punish him.

    I'm really enjoying your pod cast. I have a theory about the knots. I've always believed the killer was a lone custodial homicide where Stevie Branch was the main target of the rage. the other boys were tied where the knots were all the same because the killer believed that they were incapacitated enough and did not believe either would fight back. But for SB's case the killer tied him in such a way his dominant side held the strongest knots because the killer had experience with him fighting back by scratching, punching and kicking. He was intentionally left conscious to punish him.

  • Candy

    Candy Utah

    Unless I missed it or I'm crazy (which I might be otherwise), does nobody else thinks it's weird that Byers and Hobbs played guitar together inbetween contact with the police? I honestly don't know who did it, but I just want to at m say that if I was worried about my kid being missing, especially the way Byers was acting, I wouldn't be having a jam session. I would continue to look and/pester the police. Just sayin'...

    Unless I missed it or I'm crazy (which I might be otherwise), does nobody else thinks it's weird that Byers and Hobbs played guitar together inbetween contact with the police? I honestly don't know who did it, but I just want to at m say that if I was worried about my kid being missing, especially the way Byers was acting, I wouldn't be having a jam session. I would continue to look and/pester the police. Just sayin'...

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Candy - I don't think Byers and Hobbs played guitars together between searching. You may want to listen to part 2. Byers spent the entire evening, night and morning looking for the boys with many others to back this up. IMHO Byers got railroaded by HBO and Mara Leveritt Cheers, Nic

    Candy - I don't think Byers and Hobbs played guitars together between searching. You may want to listen to part 2. Byers spent the entire evening, night and morning looking for the boys with many others to back this up. IMHO Byers got railroaded by HBO and Mara Leveritt
    Cheers, Nic

  • Candyce

    Candyce Utah

    @Nic I thought I remember about a jam session? I listened to ask of the parts, but I must have remembered wrong. What happened?

    @Nic

    I thought I remember about a jam session? I listened to ask of the parts, but I must have remembered wrong. What happened?

  • TheRealPBJ

    TheRealPBJ Los Angeles

    Hi! Love your podcast, music and the whole production. I missed the first part of the WM3, is there a way I could still get it? I want to listen to that first before jumping in for the parts 2 & 3! Thanks! Xoxo

    Hi! Love your podcast, music and the whole production. I missed the first part of the WM3, is there a way I could still get it? I want to listen to that first before jumping in for the parts 2 & 3! Thanks! Xoxo

  • Anonymous

    Anonymous

    So how do we listen to this podcast now, it's no longer available on the iphone app?

    So how do we listen to this podcast now, it's no longer available on the iphone app?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    TheRealPBJ • Los Angeles All WM3 episodes should be back on iTunes for free! Cheers!!!

    TheRealPBJ • Los Angeles

    All WM3 episodes should be back on iTunes for free! Cheers!!!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    aaa You might have to delete us and re subscribe! Captain

    aaa

    You might have to delete us and re subscribe!

    Captain

  • Ryan

    Ryan Iowa

    I understand the people who feel like three kids = three murderers involved therefore the three men originally convicted were convenient to say the least. However, I wanted to captain-my-captain a bit here and state that between my two nephews, 13 and 10 (10 year old is bigger and stronger than the 13 year old) I can easily subdue both at the same time. I'm a rather smallish adult male, 6'-2", 150lbs, I'm what you would call lanky but am rather strong for my size. That being said, we must remember these boys were only 8 years of age, easily subdued. I feel like, if one were close enough to all three of them, you could easily incapacitate two of them rather quickly and then assault the third. We also must remember, 8 year old kids may not have realized what they were seeing while this was happening, they weren't processing the actions therefore may not have run or screamed for help before it was too late. Really though, down in the woods in that valley area, there weren't too many places to run and get away once you were down there. After all of that, I really thing you have to examine the Mr. Bojangles angle more, a crime of opportunity. Muddy, possibly bloody, disoriented... one of your earlier commentors mentioned Occam's Razor but the three aren't the easiest assumption. The easiest assumption is it was either someone they knew (one of the fathers although timelines don't easily allow this) or a random pedophile/killer seeing an opportunity. It's too coincidental that a random hair shows up on one of the kids and a random man happens into a local, nearby, restaurant muddy and bloody. One would get muddy while downing some kids in a creek, there's your Occam's Razor!

    I understand the people who feel like three kids = three murderers involved therefore the three men originally convicted were convenient to say the least. However, I wanted to captain-my-captain a bit here and state that between my two nephews, 13 and 10 (10 year old is bigger and stronger than the 13 year old) I can easily subdue both at the same time. I'm a rather smallish adult male, 6'-2", 150lbs, I'm what you would call lanky but am rather strong for my size. That being said, we must remember these boys were only 8 years of age, easily subdued. I feel like, if one were close enough to all three of them, you could easily incapacitate two of them rather quickly and then assault the third. We also must remember, 8 year old kids may not have realized what they were seeing while this was happening, they weren't processing the actions therefore may not have run or screamed for help before it was too late. Really though, down in the woods in that valley area, there weren't too many places to run and get away once you were down there. After all of that, I really thing you have to examine the Mr. Bojangles angle more, a crime of opportunity. Muddy, possibly bloody, disoriented... one of your earlier commentors mentioned Occam's Razor but the three aren't the easiest assumption. The easiest assumption is it was either someone they knew (one of the fathers although timelines don't easily allow this) or a random pedophile/killer seeing an opportunity. It's too coincidental that a random hair shows up on one of the kids and a random man happens into a local, nearby, restaurant muddy and bloody. One would get muddy while downing some kids in a creek, there's your Occam's Razor!

  • AshleyDawn

    AshleyDawn

    I stumbled across your podcast the other day while searching for something new to listen to, let me just say--I'm glad that I did. I listened to this entire case in one session (while doing freelance writing-I didn't get much writing done). This is a case that I was familiar with, since my mom is a big true crime fan, and have seen several of the movies/docudramas about the case but I really loved the way that you guys broke the timeline down and used facts to build the story! You guys did a great job of putting this case together in a way that displayed facts and pointed out things that the films have left out. For me, I've always felt at least one or all of them are innocent, it doesn't make sense to me that these three teens decided on that day to kill three 8 year olds that they didn't really know. It makes far more sense that it was either someone that knew all three boys or that there was some child predator that set out that morning to do this horrific crime. Which with the things done to the body I could definitely see it having been a predator that wasn't from the area, especially given where they were found. I think faulty police work, coerced confessions coupled with low IQ, and a lack of evidence is what ultimately took over in this case. You had a Bible Belt town with a horrific crime that they needed someone to blame, they found someone that had spiritual interests and interests in the occult and they completely ran with it because they needed to settle the fears in the town. It still blows my mind that there was ever one conviction let alone 3 given the lack of evidence. I still think this case is solvable, though it may never be done because of the way the Alford plea was set up. Love Your Podcast, keep up the awesome work!

    I stumbled across your podcast the other day while searching for something new to listen to, let me just say--I'm glad that I did. I listened to this entire case in one session (while doing freelance writing-I didn't get much writing done). This is a case that I was familiar with, since my mom is a big true crime fan, and have seen several of the movies/docudramas about the case but I really loved the way that you guys broke the timeline down and used facts to build the story! You guys did a great job of putting this case together in a way that displayed facts and pointed out things that the films have left out.
    For me, I've always felt at least one or all of them are innocent, it doesn't make sense to me that these three teens decided on that day to kill three 8 year olds that they didn't really know. It makes far more sense that it was either someone that knew all three boys or that there was some child predator that set out that morning to do this horrific crime. Which with the things done to the body I could definitely see it having been a predator that wasn't from the area, especially given where they were found.
    I think faulty police work, coerced confessions coupled with low IQ, and a lack of evidence is what ultimately took over in this case. You had a Bible Belt town with a horrific crime that they needed someone to blame, they found someone that had spiritual interests and interests in the occult and they completely ran with it because they needed to settle the fears in the town. It still blows my mind that there was ever one conviction let alone 3 given the lack of evidence. I still think this case is solvable, though it may never be done because of the way the Alford plea was set up.

    Love Your Podcast, keep up the awesome work!

  • Vanessa

    Vanessa CA

    Hi guys thanks so much for your podcast I just found it and I love it. I'm listening every day to catch up. Unfortunately, I'm on iTunes now and it starts at West Memphis 3 Part 2, I would really love to listen to Part 1 and get started on this journey. I unsubscribed and resubscribed as recommended. Is there another way to listen? Thank you!!

    Hi guys thanks so much for your podcast I just found it and I love it. I'm listening every day to catch up.

    Unfortunately, I'm on iTunes now and it starts at West Memphis 3 Part 2, I would really love to listen to Part 1 and get started on this journey. I unsubscribed and resubscribed as recommended. Is there another way to listen?

    Thank you!!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Hi Vanessa, Thanks for bringing that up. They must have bumped the 1st off. Anything before that is available for purchase at the iTunes Store. Cheers, Nic

    Hi Vanessa,
    Thanks for bringing that up. They must have bumped the 1st off. Anything before that is available for purchase at the iTunes Store.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Vanessa

    Vanessa CA

    Hi Nic, I don't know if the beer gods heard me or what but its on there now just hours later. I'm so excited to listen!! Thanks a million for your podcast.

    Hi Nic,

    I don't know if the beer gods heard me or what but its on there now just hours later. I'm so excited to listen!! Thanks a million for your podcast.

  • Jenny

    Jenny San Marcos TX

    Hey guys, I'm a total addict and I am dying to listen to all three episodes of The West Memphis 3, but I can't find 1 or 2 anywhere! I mainly listen to you on I Heart Radio, and when I finished all those episodes I went to Amazon for the old ones. So far there are a few that haven't shown up in Amazon, and they are not on iTunes either. I apologize that I arrived late to the party, but I need my TCG fix! The episodes beyond WM3 that I can't find are case 6 Anita Lias and case 10 Dr. Sam Sheppard. I even read through the threads here (all of them) for WM3 to see if anyone else was having the same issue. I saw that you might have to delete iTunes and resubscribe, but I never had an account before and the only episodes on iTunes that I can find are for Columbine. Please help! You guys are my favorite!

    Hey guys, I'm a total addict and I am dying to listen to all three episodes of The West Memphis 3, but I can't find 1 or 2 anywhere! I mainly listen to you on I Heart Radio, and when I finished all those episodes I went to Amazon for the old ones. So far there are a few that haven't shown up in Amazon, and they are not on iTunes either. I apologize that I arrived late to the party, but I need my TCG fix! The episodes beyond WM3 that I can't find are case 6 Anita Lias and case 10 Dr. Sam Sheppard. I even read through the threads here (all of them) for WM3 to see if anyone else was having the same issue. I saw that you might have to delete iTunes and resubscribe, but I never had an account before and the only episodes on iTunes that I can find are for Columbine. Please help! You guys are my favorite!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Hi Jenny, I don't know anything about Amazon however, I'm showing that all 3 WM3 episodes of ours are available on iTunes as of today. They usually are but there are glitches from time to time. If that doesn't work try Podbean.com Then for older eps, earlier than WM3 those are available in the iTunes Store and our sites store page. Cheers Nic

    Hi Jenny, I don't know anything about Amazon however, I'm showing that all 3 WM3 episodes of ours are available on iTunes as of today. They usually are but there are glitches from time to time. If that doesn't work try Podbean.com

    Then for older eps, earlier than WM3 those are available in the iTunes Store and our sites store page. Cheers Nic

  • Barbara B.

    Barbara B.

    Hey guys! I am a relatively new listener so I have been getting caught up on old episodes. I am more interested in cases I have never heard before so because of that I have been avoiding this episode series. I thought to myself, 'WM3 been there heard that'. But because I love your show I decided to listen to it and am glad I did. I think you both did a great job of sticking with the facts and not being biased. With a well known case and knowing the outcome it could be easy to steer the conversation a certain way but you guys are great at staying in line with how the events happen. Anyway I don't really have an opinion of this case. I saw the movies when I was younger (the images of the children is one I wish I could get out of my mind) and was convinced of the WM3 innocence. But as an adult and re-watching them, the movies are definitely made with an agenda. Kind of like Making a Murderer (I am convinced of his guilt in that situation). They made it seem like Byers was guilty in the earlier movies then Hobb in the later one. I don't know, the movies rubbed me the wrong way . I haven't done independent research on the WM3 so it's hard for me to say. I think the Mr. Bojangles man is super interesting and the fact they found African American hair at the crime scene should have been looked in to.

    Hey guys! I am a relatively new listener so I have been getting caught up on old episodes. I am more interested in cases I have never heard before so because of that I have been avoiding this episode series. I thought to myself, 'WM3 been there heard that'.
    But because I love your show I decided to listen to it and am glad I did. I think you both did a great job of sticking with the facts and not being biased. With a well known case and knowing the outcome it could be easy to steer the conversation a certain way but you guys are great at staying in line with how the events happen.
    Anyway I don't really have an opinion of this case. I saw the movies when I was younger (the images of the children is one I wish I could get out of my mind) and was convinced of the WM3 innocence. But as an adult and re-watching them, the movies are definitely made with an agenda. Kind of like Making a Murderer (I am convinced of his guilt in that situation). They made it seem like Byers was guilty in the earlier movies then Hobb in the later one. I don't know, the movies rubbed me the wrong way . I haven't done independent research on the WM3 so it's hard for me to say. I think the Mr. Bojangles man is super interesting and the fact they found African American hair at the crime scene should have been looked in to.

  • Sarah R

    Sarah R Franklin, IN

    This case both fascinates and horrifies me. I go back and forth on the guilt or innocence of WM3. I love all of your episodes but I have to say these episodes and the boys on the tracks are some of my faves! Thank you guys for your dedication and hard work. I find myself looking forward to my commute. From your research to the production to the music your show is better than all the rest! Love you both! Cheers🍻

    This case both fascinates and horrifies me. I go back and forth on the guilt or innocence of WM3. I love all of your episodes but I have to say these episodes and the boys on the tracks are some of my faves! Thank you guys for your dedication and hard work. I find myself looking forward to my commute. From your research to the production to the music your show is better than all the rest! Love you both! Cheers🍻

  • Hume Man

    Hume Man Iowa

    The hillbilly authorities did an excellent job of making this case unsolvable. Unless some kind of unimpeachable evidence of guilt is found--and it would be hard to imagine what that would be at this point--everything that has happened up to this point would provide guaranteed reasonable doubt at any future trial. File it with the other horrific inexplicable misadventures of the American Experience and move on.

    The hillbilly authorities did an excellent job of making this case unsolvable. Unless some kind of unimpeachable evidence of guilt is found--and it would be hard to imagine what that would be at this point--everything that has happened up to this point would provide guaranteed reasonable doubt at any future trial. File it with the other horrific inexplicable misadventures of the American Experience and move on.

  • Candace

    Candace Halifax

    I think they are guilty as hell; Hollywood and music industry support, and Paradise Lost documentaries (“documentaries”) notwithstanding. Even for those who think they were railroaded, it’s impossible to discount Damien’s voluminous psychiatric record... the guy was a violent lunatic and over the years has proven himself to also be a compulsive liar. He lies about anything and everything, even on national television, and he never gets called on it regardless of the fact that his lies are easily debunked. West Memphis Three case document archive: http://www.callahan.mysite.com

    I think they are guilty as hell; Hollywood and music industry support, and Paradise Lost documentaries (“documentaries”) notwithstanding.

    Even for those who think they were railroaded, it’s impossible to discount Damien’s voluminous psychiatric record... the guy was a violent lunatic and over the years has proven himself to also be a compulsive liar. He lies about anything and everything, even on national television, and he never gets called on it regardless of the fact that his lies are easily debunked.

    West Memphis Three case document archive: http://www.callahan.mysite.com

  • Jake

    Jake Nashville

    Hey guys! Love the show! Is this post a throw back to your older episodes of the WM3? Or are you guys re-covering the case? I'd love to listen but i cant find these episodes anywhere! I looked on podbean and iTunes but the only ones i could find were your older ones that you posted in July of 2016. Thanks again for covering the case and cant wait to listen!

    Hey guys! Love the show! Is this post a throw back to your older episodes of the WM3? Or are you guys re-covering the case? I'd love to listen but i cant find these episodes anywhere! I looked on podbean and iTunes but the only ones i could find were your older ones that you posted in July of 2016. Thanks again for covering the case and cant wait to listen!

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Throw back. I think it might be a website error actually. We did cover this a long time back, 3 episodes. I think they are only available for purchase, our store and iTunes. The Captain and I are working very hard to make all old episodes available for free. Sounds easy, it's not. If that happens we will announce this on the show. Cheers Nic

    Throw back. I think it might be a website error actually. We did cover this a long time back, 3 episodes. I think they are only available for purchase, our store and iTunes. The Captain and I are working very hard to make all old episodes available for free. Sounds easy, it's not. If that happens we will announce this on the show.
    Cheers Nic

  • Mike

    Mike Utah

    Just found your podcast and started listening, Love it so far... I can’t find the WM3 one on podcasts, can you put it back up?

    Just found your podcast and started listening, Love it so far... I can’t find the WM3 one on podcasts, can you put it back up?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Mike we have run out of space. We are working to make all of the old episodes available. We will make an announcement on the show when this is complete. Cheers Nic

    Mike we have run out of space. We are working to make all of the old episodes available. We will make an announcement on the show when this is complete.
    Cheers Nic

  • Kris

    Kris Grand Rapids MI

    Just now seeing it on Podbean... IMG_3822.PNG

    Just now seeing it on Podbean...

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  • Gary

    Gary Pueblo, CO

    I’d like to buy these episodes on the WM3 but they don’t seem to be available anywhere. Could you put them here on the site?

    I’d like to buy these episodes on the WM3 but they don’t seem to be available anywhere.
    Could you put them here on the site?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    Hi Gary, We are working to make all of the old episodes available for free to everyone. This is a project we have been working on for a while and looks like it will happen. However we won't be adding purchase episodes in the meantime. Available for free soon, fingers crossed! Nic

    Hi Gary,
    We are working to make all of the old episodes available for free to everyone. This is a project we have been working on for a while and looks like it will happen. However we won't be adding purchase episodes in the meantime. Available for free soon, fingers crossed!
    Nic

  • SoMany

    SoMany Little Rock

    Just curious if either of you ever visited/contributed to the old WM3 Discussion Board on Yuku?

    Just curious if either of you ever visited/contributed to the old WM3 Discussion Board on Yuku?

  • True Crime Garage

    True Crime Garage

    We did not. Well I did not. I don't think the Captain has as he has talked to me many hours regarding this case. Is that still available to view or post? Cheers Nic

    We did not. Well I did not. I don't think the Captain has as he has talked to me many hours regarding this case. Is that still available to view or post?
    Cheers Nic

  • Gary

    Gary Pueblo, CO

    Even if you could prove that all 3 were devout satanists (you cannot) or believe that Echols is crazy ....there is no not one shred of evidence that they committed this crime

    Even if you could prove that all 3 were devout satanists (you cannot) or believe that Echols is crazy ....there is no not one shred of evidence that they committed this crime

  • cynrok

    cynrok washington

    as another has said here, occam's razor=the simplest explanation that requires the fewest assumptions. to me that is that three boys, one of whom was beaten by his dad that day and was trying to run away, and at least two of whom had physically abusive drug-abusing fathers who were angry with them for not being home on time, were killed by one or more of those angry abusive dads who both say they were out looking for them all night. in the very woods where their dead bodies were found and where the boys were known to hide. out looking and increasingly angry, one would assume. neither of the dads really has a solid alibi either--they were here and there with various people, not all of whom corroborate their testimony and many of whom are no more trustworthy than them. the occam's razor simplest explanation is NOT that three teenagers, strangers, held a ritualistic satanic human sacrifice in the woods in the slim hour or so before the neighborhood descended on those same woods looking for the boys.

    as another has said here, occam's razor=the simplest explanation that requires the fewest assumptions. to me that is that three boys, one of whom was beaten by his dad that day and was trying to run away, and at least two of whom had physically abusive drug-abusing fathers who were angry with them for not being home on time, were killed by one or more of those angry abusive dads who both say they were out looking for them all night. in the very woods where their dead bodies were found and where the boys were known to hide. out looking and increasingly angry, one would assume. neither of the dads really has a solid alibi either--they were here and there with various people, not all of whom corroborate their testimony and many of whom are no more trustworthy than them.

    the occam's razor simplest explanation is NOT that three teenagers, strangers, held a ritualistic satanic human sacrifice in the woods in the slim hour or so before the neighborhood descended on those same woods looking for the boys.

  • Brooke

    Brooke Montana

    I am obsessed with this case, I don't think the young men did this at all, especially after hearing Jason on tape 3. I think the theory about Terry Hobbs is legit, I dont get where Amanda was after he dropped Pam off to work. One theory says Terry bought weed with 3 guys and drove off and that him and Jacoby were lovers, which shocked me. But I do believe he resented Stevie and lashed out and then had to cover it up, shocking that 2 major witnesses lied on the stand and have now admitted to it, I would like to know what really happened and I think they should most definitely re-open this case, these beautiful children deserve justice.

    I am obsessed with this case, I don't think the young men did this at all, especially after hearing Jason on tape 3. I think the theory about Terry Hobbs is legit, I dont get where Amanda was after he dropped Pam off to work. One theory says Terry bought weed with 3 guys and drove off and that him and Jacoby were lovers, which shocked me. But I do believe he resented Stevie and lashed out and then had to cover it up, shocking that 2 major witnesses lied on the stand and have now admitted to it, I would like to know what really happened and I think they should most definitely re-open this case, these beautiful children deserve justice.

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