A Bad Day in Austin /// 424

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  • Jenni
    Jenni Lexington Ky
    How are the 2 cases related? Why did we hear both stories? I’m confused

    How are the 2 cases related? Why did we hear both stories? I’m confused

  • mG
    mG tX
    A privileged white youth that went to Murchison and had a daddy that could afford Roy Minton gets zero punishment for murdering a popular teacher. Would a black or Hispanic student that went to Martin or Fullnore have been granted that same result? I think we know the answer to that. Christian certainly had a remarkable recovery from the "schizophrenia" that made him do it, didn't he?

    A privileged white youth that went to Murchison and had a daddy that could afford Roy Minton gets zero punishment for murdering a popular teacher. Would a black or Hispanic student that went to Martin or Fullnore have been granted that same result? I think we know the answer to that. Christian certainly had a remarkable recovery from the "schizophrenia" that made him do it, didn't he?

  • Steff
    Steff PARTS UNKNOWN
    I feel overwhelmed by the aftermath of the teacher's shooting. After reading a long article about this shooting and the aftermath, i feel so sooo bad for the wife, and seeing that the shooter eventually having a good life practicing law, i feel some kind of unfairness for the victim's family. But i don't know how you repair the damage that has been done when you're 13 and have mental problems back then

    I feel overwhelmed by the aftermath of the teacher's shooting. After reading a long article about this shooting and the aftermath, i feel so sooo bad for the wife, and seeing that the shooter eventually having a good life practicing law, i feel some kind of unfairness for the victim's family. But i don't know how you repair the damage that has been done when you're 13 and have mental problems back then

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Hi Jenni, The two cases are completely seperate from one another but both took place on the same day in Austin, Texas. It was a bad day in Austin. Cheers Nic

    Hi Jenni,
    The two cases are completely seperate from one another but both took place on the same day in Austin, Texas.
    It was a bad day in Austin.
    Cheers Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Steff - the article by Ron Draper in Texas Monthly certainly was a powerful one. God bless Laura Grayson! Cheers Nic

    @ Steff - the article by Ron Draper in Texas Monthly certainly was a powerful one. God bless Laura Grayson!
    Cheers Nic

  • Cliff
    Cliff Georgia
    Sad to see intellectual talent go to waste. I envy those types of people as I struggled in high school as a C+ student. I was a party animal with most of those years being seen through the bottom of a glass. I did go on to graduate mechanical and civil engineering in college, but it was a tremendous struggle. The cop killer valedictorian in your podcast sort of reminds me of the valedictorian of my class. A recluse who never dated, attended social functions, or went to keg parties. She went on to become a successful physician. I saw her years later (in my 40s at the time) at a WVU tailgate party. She told me she regretted her life's path and wished she had socialize and partied instead of living her teens and 20s in seclusion studying. This shocked me a bit, but then then I figured you can usually pull yourself up by your bootstraps after a decade of screwing off, but you can never recover those years of youth.

    Sad to see intellectual talent go to waste. I envy those types of people as I struggled in high school as a C+ student. I was a party animal with most of those years being seen through the bottom of a glass. I did go on to graduate mechanical and civil engineering in college, but it was a tremendous struggle. The cop killer valedictorian in your podcast sort of reminds me of the valedictorian of my class. A recluse who never dated, attended social functions, or went to keg parties. She went on to become a successful physician. I saw her years later (in my 40s at the time) at a WVU tailgate party. She told me she regretted her life's path and wished she had socialize and partied instead of living her teens and 20s in seclusion studying. This shocked me a bit, but then then I figured you can usually pull yourself up by your bootstraps after a decade of screwing off, but you can never recover those years of youth.

  • Wish
    Wish 4moretcg
    Not even an hour 😔

    Not even an hour 😔

  • Jesse
    Jesse Brown
    If you look around Rod Grayson's son became a teacher and has had some trouble. Not hard to imagine since he was teaching in Austin and Christian is an attorney in Austin.

    If you look around Rod Grayson's son became a teacher and has had some trouble. Not hard to imagine since he was teaching in Austin and Christian is an attorney in Austin.

  • Kayla
    Kayla Florida
    So two men died yet the murderers faced very different fates. The privileged 13-year-old got out with nearly no punishment, but David Lee got death. They both killed an innocent person in cold blood and with a gun, and they were both clearly facing mental illness, so why are their punishments so different? There is something very wrong with the justice system! Christian got off to WAY too easy, and David Lee certainly deserved a long prison sentence, but not death. I have heard of people who murder more than one person in cold blood and they don't get death (even in Texas). Life is unfair. Rant over- great episode as always!

    So two men died yet the murderers faced very different fates. The privileged 13-year-old got out with nearly no punishment, but David Lee got death. They both killed an innocent person in cold blood and with a gun, and they were both clearly facing mental illness, so why are their punishments so different? There is something very wrong with the justice system! Christian got off to WAY too easy, and David Lee certainly deserved a long prison sentence, but not death. I have heard of people who murder more than one person in cold blood and they don't get death (even in Texas). Life is unfair. Rant over- great episode as always!

  • A
    A Illinois
    I love this podcast. But the music! Maybe pay for stock? It’s so bad.

    I love this podcast. But the music! Maybe pay for stock? It’s so bad.

  • lydia
    lydia illinois
    How dare you insult The Captain's music...it is a integral part of what makes this an awesome podcast!

    How dare you insult The Captain's music...it is a integral part of what makes this an awesome podcast!

  • B
    B Parts Unknown
    Interesting stories! If you are ever looking for content, I'd be interested in hearing your podcast on the case of Jill Behrman. Lot of interesting news recently with the case as well.

    Interesting stories! If you are ever looking for content, I'd be interested in hearing your podcast on the case of Jill Behrman. Lot of interesting news recently with the case as well.

  • AT
    AT NE NC
    Very interesting couple of cases I hadn’t heard of before! Nice job TCG! Can’t help but think that more than money, the Christian family’s political connection to LBJ had much to do with the fact that young John C. got Life, and treatment, and eventually freedom vs what some normal kid would have gone through. LBJ had many deep political pockets, esp in Texas, and even though he may not have known Mr Christian personally, certainly his political machine would want to exert damage control on the narrative as much as possible. I don’t hold it against the young man, however, if indeed mental health issues instigated his behavior, and if the subsequent treatment rehabilitated him and he has led a fairly productive life, great. Wish more people had access to teachers like Grayson, and good mental health therapy. As for David Lee, it seems that he did have a privileged start to early adulthood but by his own actions put himself in a position where he forced society to throw the book at him. He had many choices between high school honor student and adult meth pusher (and likely grenade launcher), and given that he was so bright I have to think that there were people interested in his welfare who could have given assistance along the way if asked. (Unless of course he was unfortunate enough to fall amongst those spooks who experimented on bright young things with drugs but that’s a whole other story.) Hopefully he really did help some people in prison. Nic spoke well that people pro or against the death penalty could argue this case. Part of me regrets they didn’t keep him alive for humane research into mental health aberrations.

    Very interesting couple of cases I hadn’t heard of before! Nice job TCG! Can’t help but think that more than money, the Christian family’s political connection to LBJ had much to do with the fact that young John C. got Life, and treatment, and eventually freedom vs what some normal kid would have gone through. LBJ had many deep political pockets, esp in Texas, and even though he may not have known Mr Christian personally, certainly his political machine would want to exert damage control on the narrative as much as possible. I don’t hold it against the young man, however, if indeed mental health issues instigated his behavior, and if the subsequent treatment rehabilitated him and he has led a fairly productive life, great. Wish more people had access to teachers like Grayson, and good mental health therapy. As for David Lee, it seems that he did have a privileged start to early adulthood but by his own actions put himself in a position where he forced society to throw the book at him. He had many choices between high school honor student and adult meth pusher (and likely grenade launcher), and given that he was so bright I have to think that there were people interested in his welfare who could have given assistance along the way if asked. (Unless of course he was unfortunate enough to fall amongst those spooks who experimented on bright young things with drugs but that’s a whole other story.) Hopefully he really did help some people in prison. Nic spoke well that people pro or against the death penalty could argue this case. Part of me regrets they didn’t keep him alive for humane research into mental health aberrations.

  • Marquis Jackson
    Marquis Jackson NY
    @mG I'm sorry that you are a racist. As a black man myself I take offense to what you are writing here. Why must everything always be about race? I am 35 years old and grew up on Long Island in NY. I went to a mixed school that was mostly on the white side though. We never had these problems with race in the 90s, never talked about it, all hung out together. Now all of these racists like yourself will only talk about race. Look at the police response to every school shooting today. Hint: They aren't letting the white shooters just walk away from it. The few who don't commit suicide are doing life in prison without parole, not being given candy and sent on their way. I expect better from you. Get over your racism and stop seeing everything in black/brown/white shades. We are all human beings!

    @mG I'm sorry that you are a racist. As a black man myself I take offense to what you are writing here. Why must everything always be about race? I am 35 years old and grew up on Long Island in NY. I went to a mixed school that was mostly on the white side though. We never had these problems with race in the 90s, never talked about it, all hung out together. Now all of these racists like yourself will only talk about race. Look at the police response to every school shooting today. Hint: They aren't letting the white shooters just walk away from it. The few who don't commit suicide are doing life in prison without parole, not being given candy and sent on their way. I expect better from you. Get over your racism and stop seeing everything in black/brown/white shades. We are all human beings!

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    We are all human beings! - well said Marquis - Cheers Nic

    We are all human beings! - well said Marquis - Cheers Nic

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