Chance Englebert /// 557 /// 558

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  • Valerie
    Valerie NC
    This is giving me Tyler Davis (I think that was his name) vibes!

    This is giving me Tyler Davis (I think that was his name) vibes!

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Valerie • NC Very much so. Thanks for listening. Cheers Captain

    Valerie • NC

    Very much so. Thanks for listening. Cheers

    Captain

  • Chris
    Chris Scotland
    I think it's the same as Tyler Davis too. He's went off after an argument and an accident has occured. And same as Tyler Davis, the body for whatever reason has never been found.

    I think it's the same as Tyler Davis too. He's went off after an argument and an accident has occured. And same as Tyler Davis, the body for whatever reason has never been found.

  • Jennifer
    Jennifer Alberta
    I keep getting the feeling that he jumped in a semi truck and met with foul play on his journey home.

    I keep getting the feeling that he jumped in a semi truck and met with foul play on his journey home.

  • Toby
    Toby Sweden
    Excellent double episode; very interesting case. Cheers, Nic & Captain! Re phone stopped pinging: isn't it possible that the tower went out due to lightning right when the storm came in?

    Excellent double episode; very interesting case. Cheers, Nic & Captain!

    Re phone stopped pinging: isn't it possible that the tower went out due to lightning right when the storm came in?

  • AJ
    AJ North Dakota
    Dang... was hoping for an update or breaking news on the arm bone found in that area and near the river, that was being analyzed. Last I heard it was inconclusive and was being sent on for further testing. Lots of good info - learned a few new things I hadn't heard before. Heads up - you guys call him "Chase" quite a few times. I'm in agreement. Reminds me a lot of Tyler Davis, and a little Brandon Swanson. Also in agreement that the elements just make too much sense. I lean towards some sort of hit & run. With that kind of rain & wind visibility had to have been terrible, and he's walking down the road. Or a hit, hide, and run more aptly, I suppose. It was refreshing to hear this one recapped without jumping on Bailey and her family. Nice to hear a little bit of rational defense for them in some of their actions. Haven't ever heard enough reasons to throw them all the way under the bus as a lot of coverage of this case does. Cheers.

    Dang... was hoping for an update or breaking news on the arm bone found in that area and near the river, that was being analyzed. Last I heard it was inconclusive and was being sent on for further testing.
    Lots of good info - learned a few new things I hadn't heard before.
    Heads up - you guys call him "Chase" quite a few times.
    I'm in agreement. Reminds me a lot of Tyler Davis, and a little Brandon Swanson. Also in agreement that the elements just make too much sense. I lean towards some sort of hit & run. With that kind of rain & wind visibility had to have been terrible, and he's walking down the road. Or a hit, hide, and run more aptly, I suppose.
    It was refreshing to hear this one recapped without jumping on Bailey and her family. Nice to hear a little bit of rational defense for them in some of their actions. Haven't ever heard enough reasons to throw them all the way under the bus as a lot of coverage of this case does.
    Cheers.

  • Lexie
    Lexie Baton Rouge
    When I heard the events surrounding this case, the first idea that I see is that it could have been a hit and run accident. The weather was bad and I can see someone accidentally hitting him while he was walking and took the body to conceal him

    When I heard the events surrounding this case, the first idea that I see is that it could have been a hit and run accident. The weather was bad and I can see someone accidentally hitting him while he was walking and took the body to conceal him

  • Karena
    Karena MI
    We had a case up here in Mi this year of a kid wandering off on a college campus and they believed he went into the river but they didn't find any of his personal belongings, no phone, hat, clothing, nothing. Multiple dives were done and they were unable to locate a single trace of him. Fast forward to a couple weeks ago and they found his remains wedged up under a log jam. All of that to say, its completely possible he was swept away with the river and nothing was found of him yet but hes still there today.

    We had a case up here in Mi this year of a kid wandering off on a college campus and they believed he went into the river but they didn't find any of his personal belongings, no phone, hat, clothing, nothing. Multiple dives were done and they were unable to locate a single trace of him. Fast forward to a couple weeks ago and they found his remains wedged up under a log jam.
    All of that to say, its completely possible he was swept away with the river and nothing was found of him yet but hes still there today.

  • Michael
    Michael Melbourne, Australia
    I would put my money on a Fargo Season 2(?) scenario for sure. He's drunk, visibility is poor. He is accidentally hit and killed by a car - the driver panics, places the body in the trunk and hides it. Evidence of the accident being washed away by the flooding rains.

    I would put my money on a Fargo Season 2(?) scenario for sure. He's drunk, visibility is poor. He is accidentally hit and killed by a car - the driver panics, places the body in the trunk and hides it. Evidence of the accident being washed away by the flooding rains.

  • Tracy
    Tracy MA
    Weirdly, I've been going back to old episodes (never enough TCG) and this reminded me of Tyler Davis as well. Just generally, thanks Nic and The Captain, not only is TCG just a great podcast, but you're reliable for new information (hell all the infomation). I'll listen to another true crime podcast and think "but wait what time of day was it? How many miles away is that?" You guys cover everything, I never have a "wait what?" moment with you. Also I know that if something new happened with a case we'll hear from you. Keep up the great work!

    Weirdly, I've been going back to old episodes (never enough TCG) and this reminded me of Tyler Davis as well.

    Just generally, thanks Nic and The Captain, not only is TCG just a great podcast, but you're reliable for new information (hell all the infomation). I'll listen to another true crime podcast and think "but wait what time of day was it? How many miles away is that?" You guys cover everything, I never have a "wait what?" moment with you. Also I know that if something new happened with a case we'll hear from you. Keep up the great work!

  • Amy
    Amy KCMO
    Never heard of this one til now. Very mysterious & I agree w others about similarities to Tyler Davis. I can't get past that she asks for the death certificate so soon!!! I would be trying to find out what happened. Haven't listened to Part 2 yet. Good episode as always guys!!! Still my favorite true crime pod!

    Never heard of this one til now. Very mysterious & I agree w others about similarities to Tyler Davis. I can't get past that she asks for the death certificate so soon!!! I would be trying to find out what happened. Haven't listened to Part 2 yet. Good episode as always guys!!! Still my favorite true crime pod!

  • Walt
    Walt Ventura
    I think it's one of those cases where one of the most mundane aspects of life ended up causing his death - i.e., finding a place to take a leak. I'm not being the least bit facetious either. When you look at the deaths of young adult males who end up in bodies of water, I think this is more often than not the culprit that puts them in dangerous situations. In Mr. Englebert's case, look at how the evidence lines up to get us going in that direction. He is drinking at a golf outing. He dramatically leaves the group he was with when his wife shows up. He has a 20 minute car ride with her. He refuses to go in the house. He storms off in an area relatively unfamiliar to him that probably not only lacks a Starbuck's on the corner but also a lot of trees or other natural cover. If it's me and I'm in that situation? I have to use it. So he stews and walks and eventually calls his friend to arrange getting picked-up. Then he decides he has to take care of business (and perhaps not for the first time on that walk). But where? I think that's the key to this case. He's in an area he doesn't know; he has a need that must be addressed; it's pitch dark; and he gets himself into a place where, unbeknown to him, one false move is a fatal mistake. I don't buy that the family had anything to do with it. After all, he called his friend and showed no signs of duress. I don't buy that he walked away (ok, where and with what?). I don't buy that he was kidnapped as he's an unusual, not to mention difficult, target for at least several reasons. Hit and run? No evidence for that, and the idea that drivers conceal bodies or throw them in the trunk after such events does not line up with reality. The natural inclination in a case like this is to picture it like a movie. When my mind starts to go down that path, I do a course correction and think about analogous cases that happened in real life. I totally get the Tyler Davis vibe. I get the Swanson vibe too. The problem is that those are unsolved and thus can't tell us much of anything. What does instruct us here? I believe it's all of the young men who drink, wander, and wind up victims of a bad encounter with mother nature. I've always thought that the "Smiley Face" theory got started because someone couldn't accept that so many sad deaths of promising young men had such a mundane explanation. Well, ... they do, and I think this case is a prime example.

    I think it's one of those cases where one of the most mundane aspects of life ended up causing his death - i.e., finding a place to take a leak. I'm not being the least bit facetious either. When you look at the deaths of young adult males who end up in bodies of water, I think this is more often than not the culprit that puts them in dangerous situations.

    In Mr. Englebert's case, look at how the evidence lines up to get us going in that direction.

    He is drinking at a golf outing. He dramatically leaves the group he was with when his wife shows up. He has a 20 minute car ride with her. He refuses to go in the house. He storms off in an area relatively unfamiliar to him that probably not only lacks a Starbuck's on the corner but also a lot of trees or other natural cover. If it's me and I'm in that situation? I have to use it. So he stews and walks and eventually calls his friend to arrange getting picked-up. Then he decides he has to take care of business (and perhaps not for the first time on that walk). But where? I think that's the key to this case. He's in an area he doesn't know; he has a need that must be addressed; it's pitch dark; and he gets himself into a place where, unbeknown to him, one false move is a fatal mistake.

    I don't buy that the family had anything to do with it. After all, he called his friend and showed no signs of duress. I don't buy that he walked away (ok, where and with what?). I don't buy that he was kidnapped as he's an unusual, not to mention difficult, target for at least several reasons. Hit and run? No evidence for that, and the idea that drivers conceal bodies or throw them in the trunk after such events does not line up with reality.

    The natural inclination in a case like this is to picture it like a movie. When my mind starts to go down that path, I do a course correction and think about analogous cases that happened in real life. I totally get the Tyler Davis vibe. I get the Swanson vibe too. The problem is that those are unsolved and thus can't tell us much of anything. What does instruct us here? I believe it's all of the young men who drink, wander, and wind up victims of a bad encounter with mother nature. I've always thought that the "Smiley Face" theory got started because someone couldn't accept that so many sad deaths of promising young men had such a mundane explanation. Well, ... they do, and I think this case is a prime example.

  • chris
    chris fl
    Agree with AJ. Reminds me of Brandon Swanson in Minnesota. A young man on foot at night. The plains. A river. Alcohol. Like many others, I charted the path he took, studied the surveillance video. Based on the video, many folks think he was following a map on his phone. That'd be about the only reason to turn left on obscure Martha Rd from busy 10th St; the phone said so. One thing this exercise showed me: His phone prescribed such an improbable route that I doubt his wife's family could have found him to do him harm even if they'd wanted to. Maybe once (if) he got up to Beltline Hwy then they'd be able to find him, but by then the storm would've been on. My first instinct was hit and run. With the road and storm info, I now think he lost his bearings in that weather. A young man goes from fit and healthy with a beautiful young family to completely lost in about 90 minutes -- seemingly just because he walked off angry, intent on going 35 miles on foot. It's one of life's tragic, cautionary tales. May God bless him and the family he's left behind. And, I pray his mother finds some peace.

    Agree with AJ. Reminds me of Brandon Swanson in Minnesota. A young man on foot at night. The plains. A river. Alcohol.

    Like many others, I charted the path he took, studied the surveillance video. Based on the video, many folks think he was following a map on his phone. That'd be about the only reason to turn left on obscure Martha Rd from busy 10th St; the phone said so. One thing this exercise showed me: His phone prescribed such an improbable route that I doubt his wife's family could have found him to do him harm even if they'd wanted to. Maybe once (if) he got up to Beltline Hwy then they'd be able to find him, but by then the storm would've been on.

    My first instinct was hit and run. With the road and storm info, I now think he lost his bearings in that weather.

    A young man goes from fit and healthy with a beautiful young family to completely lost in about 90 minutes -- seemingly just because he walked off angry, intent on going 35 miles on foot. It's one of life's tragic, cautionary tales. May God bless him and the family he's left behind. And, I pray his mother finds some peace.

  • Coty
    Coty A Van Down By The River
    All I know is that his wife is weird lol. Especially the part where she's on Facebook talking as if she's their young child. Is she guilty? I doubt it, she honestly just seems immature.

    All I know is that his wife is weird lol. Especially the part where she's on Facebook talking as if she's their young child. Is she guilty? I doubt it, she honestly just seems immature.

  • Leslie AHR
    Leslie AHR Indiana
    You keep saying "called off the search". This was not a search for an endangered person. He's a guy who's just having a temper tantrum and storming off. Not like it was an emergency. He was just being stupid. Also Bailey can go into to get their things (and child and childvstuff?) And while loading it watching him continue to storm off. He could've helped her load up rather than being infantile. To be clear, he doesn't deserve to be missing however his behavior is the problem, not hers that we have anyvreason to believe. And he's lying or mixed up about location. There's no reason to suspect anyone but himself or someone who picked him up. And yes a young mom is definitely going to worry about a way to live financially immediately... by the next day and 100% by Monday's work no-show. Yes, most moms would be thinking what can I get to support my child and I and no completelyvruin our lives that way too.

    You keep saying "called off the search". This was not a search for an endangered person. He's a guy who's just having a temper tantrum and storming off. Not like it was an emergency. He was just being stupid. Also Bailey can go into to get their things (and child and childvstuff?) And while loading it watching him continue to storm off. He could've helped her load up rather than being infantile. To be clear, he doesn't deserve to be missing however his behavior is the problem, not hers that we have anyvreason to believe. And he's lying or mixed up about location. There's no reason to suspect anyone but himself or someone who picked him up. And yes a young mom is definitely going to worry about a way to live financially immediately... by the next day and 100% by Monday's work no-show. Yes, most moms would be thinking what can I get to support my child and I and no completelyvruin our lives that way too.

  • Katherine Kay
    Katherine Kay STL
    With storms come flash floods. Could the area have swelled with water and he been swept up of feet? He could be laying in the woods somewhere dead because of this depending on the water direction.

    With storms come flash floods. Could the area have swelled with water and he been swept up of feet? He could be laying in the woods somewhere dead because of this depending on the water direction.

  • jill
    jill delco,pa
    I have a theory. I theorize that they found him prior to the storm. The last phone call with wifey, he told her where he was and she went out for him. He gets in the vehicle and she has Baby Banks with her. He gets to fussin while they're chit chatting/arguing/whatever in the vehicle. He hands off the phone to baby banks like most parents would, hence the strange and random text to the Aunt. There's a storm coming. Her fam follows her and tries to set her straight because they don't like this guy for whatever the reasons. They remove him from the vehicle and he's not seen again. Phone gets shut off when Aunt replies to the text. I don't think wifey knows what happened with him, but I theorize the family does. Stand up family or not will do shady stuff when it comes down to it.

    I have a theory. I theorize that they found him prior to the storm. The last phone call with wifey, he told her where he was and she went out for him. He gets in the vehicle and she has Baby Banks with her. He gets to fussin while they're chit chatting/arguing/whatever in the vehicle. He hands off the phone to baby banks like most parents would, hence the strange and random text to the Aunt. There's a storm coming. Her fam follows her and tries to set her straight because they don't like this guy for whatever the reasons. They remove him from the vehicle and he's not seen again. Phone gets shut off when Aunt replies to the text. I don't think wifey knows what happened with him, but I theorize the family does. Stand up family or not will do shady stuff when it comes down to it.

  • Kimberly
    Kimberly Nebraska
    I want to know when they were checking video footage if they saw any of Bailey's family on them looking for him and the time and date stamp. There was a theory I heard about a year ago, that 1 or 2 of Bailey's family members found him and killed him because she had given them details about their argument. That would explain her talking about a body bag and having him claimed dead. If that's the case, then he could have had his phone on him when he was hypothetically killed and that's where the strange text came from. Then the people turned off his phone and found a place to bury him. I don't know if I believe that theory, but its an interesting one for sure.

    I want to know when they were checking video footage if they saw any of Bailey's family on them looking for him and the time and date stamp. There was a theory I heard about a year ago, that 1 or 2 of Bailey's family members found him and killed him because she had given them details about their argument. That would explain her talking about a body bag and having him claimed dead. If that's the case, then he could have had his phone on him when he was hypothetically killed and that's where the strange text came from. Then the people turned off his phone and found a place to bury him. I don't know if I believe that theory, but its an interesting one for sure.

  • Liz
    Liz Parts Unknown
    What was the text message to his aunt? I was looking for it in text form.

    What was the text message to his aunt? I was looking for it in text form.

  • Michelle Foley
    Michelle Foley
    This maybe have been brought up somewhere already but IBDE SER. . if you're off just a little on your keyboard could spell UNDER, so "I'm under" perhaps. I have personally typed this in my own phone accidentally trying to speed type and immediately sounded familiar when they said it in the episode. As for the emoji, it maybe have been tapped on accident as well going for the "U" (I have auto emojis pop up just above my keyboard top row) and the 😑 emoji seems like a likely prediction emoji after "I'm" As for the rest ". .really G" I'm not sure, but looks like some kind of auto fill.

    This maybe have been brought up somewhere already but IBDE SER. . if you're off just a little on your keyboard could spell UNDER, so "I'm under" perhaps. I have personally typed this in my own phone accidentally trying to speed type and immediately sounded familiar when they said it in the episode.

    As for the emoji, it maybe have been tapped on accident as well going for the "U" (I have auto emojis pop up just above my keyboard top row) and the 😑 emoji seems like a likely prediction emoji after "I'm"

    As for the rest ". .really G" I'm not sure, but looks like some kind of auto fill.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ All - The text that was sent from Chance's phone to his "aunt" at 9:08PM reads as follows; Im (emoji) IBDE SERReally G - Nic

    @ All - The text that was sent from Chance's phone to his "aunt" at 9:08PM reads as follows;
    Im (emoji) IBDE SERReally G
    - Nic

  • Cookie
    Cookie Kansas
    He’s doing allot of walking it off in bad weather makes him vulnerable in two ways. He is more motivated to ride and the one offering the ride has more reason to believe he is vulnerable. Plus, he us more likely to be a victim of hit and run. It’s worth noting some unusual things in the relationship with Bailey but circumstantial at best and there is no motive. The bizarre text seems legible in the beginning and emojis can be auto filling. My final thoughts, I’ve been there 35 miles from home after an argument and I was going to walk home. I ended up finding someone to give me a ride, but this someone was familiar to me. I think he wanted to cut some time off the walk and avoid the storm, he took a short cut that costed him.

    He’s doing allot of walking it off in bad weather makes him vulnerable in two ways. He is more motivated to ride and the one offering the ride has more reason to believe he is vulnerable. Plus, he us more likely to be a victim of hit and run. It’s worth noting some unusual things in the relationship with Bailey but circumstantial at best and there is no motive.

    The bizarre text seems legible in the beginning and emojis can be auto filling.

    My final thoughts, I’ve been there 35 miles from home after an argument and I was going to walk home. I ended up finding someone to give me a ride, but this someone was familiar to me.

    I think he wanted to cut some time off the walk and avoid the storm, he took a short cut that costed him.

  • James
    James Texas
    I think this is just a simple case of him getting caught in the storm and dying from the elements. I know people get so caught up with "Oh he's an avid outdoorsman," or "We would have found the body." Doesn't matter how avid an outdoorsman, if there's flash flooding and 70mph winds, being out alone and probably intoxicated in the dark is just not going to go well. The idea that "we would have found the body" just doesn't mean anything to me. I don't care how many times you've looked through that area, bodies are easily missed ALL the time. Look at Brandon Lawson now, who seems to have been found in an area that was searched many times. I think he'll eventually be found out there in the woods somewhere.

    I think this is just a simple case of him getting caught in the storm and dying from the elements. I know people get so caught up with "Oh he's an avid outdoorsman," or "We would have found the body."

    Doesn't matter how avid an outdoorsman, if there's flash flooding and 70mph winds, being out alone and probably intoxicated in the dark is just not going to go well. The idea that "we would have found the body" just doesn't mean anything to me. I don't care how many times you've looked through that area, bodies are easily missed ALL the time. Look at Brandon Lawson now, who seems to have been found in an area that was searched many times.

    I think he'll eventually be found out there in the woods somewhere.

  • Laurie
    Laurie PA
    Great job covering this case Nic & Captain! I agree with Walt's ideas. I can't help but think that the storm coupled with Chance being in unfamiliar territory and alcohol caused an accidental death either by a head injury or drowning. His body could be in a previously unsearched area or the river. The evidence that points to a possible head injury is the incoherent text to his aunt. This clearly shows some type of impairment. Perhaps he was disoriented and about to pass out. Consider what happened recently to Bob Saget, and he did not have alcohol in his system. I wonder if anyone has walked the path he took at the same time based on the video and cell phone data? This might provide a more accurate area to search than the 2-3 mile ping radius. What distance is it physically possible for him to cover? Meaning where is the most likely location for him when that text was sent at 9:08 pm? If he got a ride from a stranger, wouldn't he text Matt or call him to let him know? That seems likely to me. The other possibility to consider would be accidental vehicular homicide. I am sure people who had been drinking due to the holiday were out on the roads that evening and the storm caused poor visibility. The driver panicked and put him in their trunk to cover up their mistake and avoid serious charges. This could also explain why no evidence has ever been found. Although, typical hit and runs tend to just leave the scene and the body without calling for help.

    Great job covering this case Nic & Captain!

    I agree with Walt's ideas. I can't help but think that the storm coupled with Chance being in unfamiliar territory and alcohol caused an accidental death either by a head injury or drowning. His body could be in a previously unsearched area or the river. The evidence that points to a possible head injury is the incoherent text to his aunt. This clearly shows some type of impairment. Perhaps he was disoriented and about to pass out. Consider what happened recently to Bob Saget, and he did not have alcohol in his system.

    I wonder if anyone has walked the path he took at the same time based on the video and cell phone data? This might provide a more accurate area to search than the 2-3 mile ping radius. What distance is it physically possible for him to cover? Meaning where is the most likely location for him when that text was sent at 9:08 pm?

    If he got a ride from a stranger, wouldn't he text Matt or call him to let him know? That seems likely to me.

    The other possibility to consider would be accidental vehicular homicide. I am sure people who had been drinking due to the holiday were out on the roads that evening and the storm caused poor visibility. The driver panicked and put him in their trunk to cover up their mistake and avoid serious charges. This could also explain why no evidence has ever been found. Although, typical hit and runs tend to just leave the scene and the body without calling for help.

  • Luciana S
    Luciana S
    @Chris (fl) I concur, this does remind me a little of Brandon Swanson’s case.

    @Chris (fl) I concur, this does remind me a little of Brandon Swanson’s case.

  • ALLEN
    ALLEN Burbank ca
    HE IS ALIVE , BET. The cell phone found on the porch is a clue & part of a puzzle . I'm wondering if his sim card could have been used in that phone and taken out ? Using that phone to ping the towers and throw investigation off track. Matt maybe knowledgeable or maybe keeping up the ruse.

    HE IS ALIVE , BET.
    The cell phone found on the porch is a clue & part of a puzzle . I'm wondering if his sim card could have been used in that phone and taken out ? Using that phone to ping the towers and throw investigation off track. Matt maybe knowledgeable or maybe keeping up the ruse.

  • Allen (sonofman666)
    Allen (sonofman666) Burbank ca
    I believe the text would read : I'm (sorry emoji) I'm seriously glad ... what do you think?

    I believe the text would read :
    I'm (sorry emoji) I'm seriously glad ...
    what do you think?

  • The dude
    The dude Parts unknown
    With the text lining up same time around the storm, could it be a combo of drunk+phone being wet when typing? I've had my phone out when it was raining, and I'm sure most here have, and with water on touchscreens the keys that are triggered on touch are erratic/random. Maybe sent, went to go find shelter somewhere to get out of the rain and maybe phone ended up taking too much water damage from the rain, he dropped it right after that text with it being slippery, or something happened on the way to finding cover.

    With the text lining up same time around the storm, could it be a combo of drunk+phone being wet when typing? I've had my phone out when it was raining, and I'm sure most here have, and with water on touchscreens the keys that are triggered on touch are erratic/random.

    Maybe sent, went to go find shelter somewhere to get out of the rain and maybe phone ended up taking too much water damage from the rain, he dropped it right after that text with it being slippery, or something happened on the way to finding cover.

  • Hillary
    Hillary Buford
    What is the guy saying in the song clip at the beginning of the episode and returning from commercial? It's driving me crazy trying to figure it out but I like it a lot better than the baby robot singer on the last few episodes.

    What is the guy saying in the song clip at the beginning of the episode and returning from commercial? It's driving me crazy trying to figure it out but I like it a lot better than the baby robot singer on the last few episodes.

  • DLTM
    DLTM Nebraska
    Thank you for covering this case. I'm from Nebraska and has always been such mystery to me. I do believe he wondered off and became a victim to the weather. I do believe Bailey and her family are a tad off but no involvement in the disapperance. I have wanted to write you guys to cover this case and also Ryan Larsen. 13yr old boy with austim vanished in La Vista NE. Check it out. Thank you and keep up the great work.

    Thank you for covering this case. I'm from Nebraska and has always been such mystery to me. I do believe he wondered off and became a victim to the weather. I do believe Bailey and her family are a tad off but no involvement in the disapperance. I have wanted to write you guys to cover this case and also Ryan Larsen. 13yr old boy with austim vanished in La Vista NE. Check it out.

    Thank you and keep up the great work.

  • Julie
    Julie Houston
    I keep coming back to two points. First, the direction from Gering to Torrington is NW, and that is the direction Chance was heading, right? Yet he told Bayley that he was walking south. He knew where he was and the direction, so that comment was probably a misdirection to get away from her. Second, we heard about the truck stop, and that he was not seen on video there. Was his route on the way to the truck stop? If so, he likely hitched a ride when the storm came up and ended up with one of the many long haul trucker killers. His body was probably dumped a long way away. The goofy text may have been his attempt to get help during a struggle. I dunno. Sad for him and Banks.

    I keep coming back to two points. First, the direction from Gering to Torrington is NW, and that is the direction Chance was heading, right? Yet he told Bayley that he was walking south. He knew where he was and the direction, so that comment was probably a misdirection to get away from her. Second, we heard about the truck stop, and that he was not seen on video there. Was his route on the way to the truck stop? If so, he likely hitched a ride when the storm came up and ended up with one of the many long haul trucker killers. His body was probably dumped a long way away. The goofy text may have been his attempt to get help during a struggle. I dunno. Sad for him and Banks.

  • Merrilee
    Merrilee Oklahoma
    Did the wife search south like she said he told her or did she search in the direction he actually went.

    Did the wife search south like she said he told her or did she search in the direction he actually went.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Hi Hillary, I have no idea what that guy is saying. I know the Captain told me at least what one line was a few weeks ago but I can't remember. I tried listening to it again before replying to your post but I can't make it out. I dig it though. Cheers Nic

    Hi Hillary,
    I have no idea what that guy is saying. I know the Captain told me at least what one line was a few weeks ago but I can't remember. I tried listening to it again before replying to your post but I can't make it out. I dig it though.
    Cheers Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Hi Merrilee, Yes from the info I reviewed they - wife and his and her family searched south in the days that followed his disappearance. Thanks Nic

    Hi Merrilee,
    Yes from the info I reviewed they - wife and his and her family searched south in the days that followed his disappearance.
    Thanks Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Julie - I agree. He either does not want her to find him or he is turned around. I think he thought he would catch a ride from his friend and didn't want to be confronted face to face before the friend could get there. He may have hitched once the friend cold not go and the weather turned. Sad all around. Nic

    @ Julie - I agree. He either does not want her to find him or he is turned around. I think he thought he would catch a ride from his friend and didn't want to be confronted face to face before the friend could get there. He may have hitched once the friend cold not go and the weather turned.
    Sad all around.
    Nic

  • Tamara
    Tamara SC
    I think the text might have said, "I'm sorry -- really." SERR being sorry, and the first word should have been "really" but was mistyped, so he added "really" again at the end. G is random, or the start of goodbye?

    I think the text might have said, "I'm sorry -- really." SERR being sorry, and the first word should have been "really" but was mistyped, so he added "really" again at the end. G is random, or the start of goodbye?

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