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  • Ashley Verlander
    Ashley Verlander
    It's been 10 years. I can't fathom why they wouldn't release more information at this point. I'm also wondering if they interviewed or looked into any of the contractors working in the house.

    It's been 10 years. I can't fathom why they wouldn't release more information at this point. I'm also wondering if they interviewed or looked into any of the contractors working in the house.

  • Rachel
    Rachel O-H-I-O
    I didn’t finish listening yet but I’m waiting for my Target drive up so I thought I’d pop on and mention my thoughts :) They are similar to the comments above but with a different angle. First of all I don’t believe it was robbery because they were killed by strangulation. Most burglars come armed with something. And if you are armed you don’t strangle people, you use your weapon. The caveat to this is if they came home and surprised the burglar who was already there. If you think you’re robbing an empty house you probably don’t bring a weapon. But then that means that while you were strangling one of them the other waited around until it was her turn to be strangled? No. Or if only one came home and surprised you, then you kill the one witness and get out of dodge. So I don’t buy the burglary angle. I think it was a person known to one of the girls. They let them in. Somewhere in the course of the visit, the violence occurred. If the other girl was home at the time, it would have been necessary to kill her too. But it would have been someone who most likely was close enough to the first victim so that being a line in a room, say a bedroom with the perp, would not be weird. So they are alone, he strangled the first girl, realizes now he has to kill the other girl who is also home because she will obviously discover her friends body and know it was him. Or, true roommate wasn’t home but he made plans with the first Vic via text, so he retrieves her phone to erase the massages and realizes she texted her roommate to tell her she was having company and who it was. So now he has to wait for the roommate to get home, kill her, then destroy both phones. That’s my 222 cents ☺️

    I didn’t finish listening yet but I’m waiting for my Target drive up so I thought I’d pop on and mention my thoughts smile They are similar to the comments above but with a different angle. First of all I don’t believe it was robbery because they were killed by strangulation. Most burglars come armed with something. And if you are armed you don’t strangle people, you use your weapon. The caveat to this is if they came home and surprised the burglar who was already there. If you think you’re robbing an empty house you probably don’t bring a weapon. But then that means that while you were strangling one of them the other waited around until it was her turn to be strangled? No. Or if only one came home and surprised you, then you kill the one witness and get out of dodge. So I don’t buy the burglary angle. I think it was a person known to one of the girls. They let them in. Somewhere in the course of the visit, the violence occurred. If the other girl was home at the time, it would have been necessary to kill her too. But it would have been someone who most likely was close enough to the first victim so that being a line in a room, say a bedroom with the perp, would not be weird. So they are alone, he strangled the first girl, realizes now he has to kill the other girl who is also home because she will obviously discover her friends body and know it was him. Or, true roommate wasn’t home but he made plans with the first Vic via text, so he retrieves her phone to erase the massages and realizes she texted her roommate to tell her she was having company and who it was. So now he has to wait for the roommate to get home, kill her, then destroy both phones. That’s my 222 cents ☺️

  • Brian
    Brian California
    I want to add another theory. 2011 was in the heyday of girls picking up extra cash by working as prostitutes on Backpage and Craigslist. I'm not being judgmental here, it was really common. I would venture to say there a many thousands of women who are doctors/lawyers/engineers today who made extra money working Backpage when they were in college. It would be highly likely that two girls working in a strip club, even as bartenders, might be picking up extra money this way. Let me make a few points: 1. the neighbors said they had lots of "friends" coming and going. 2. The police said there was no "useful DNA". Maybe that means there was way too much DNA?, 3. She was in financial trouble on her house, then she made enough money to get out of trouble and even start renovating. They would have been making about $100 for a 1/2 hour that often only took 15 minutes, 4. They had an "event" they were supposed to work that day. That doesn't mean they were working as bartenders. 5. The police said they couldn't rule out robbery. Maybe the killer stole their computer? 6. They boiled the phones, and the text messages weren't fruitful. Again, maybe they were using the phone to access the web anonymously. This the sort of thing two girls could be into and nobody in their family or friends group would know about it. It's illegal and the system was set up to keep both the girl and her client anonymous. I participated in many good times with totally normal girls who were often very open that they had normal day jobs and were doing it for money and adventure and even because they liked all the sex. It wasn't unusual for them to work out of their homes. They never seemed to believe that it was dangerous.

    I want to add another theory. 2011 was in the heyday of girls picking up extra cash by working as prostitutes on Backpage and Craigslist. I'm not being judgmental here, it was really common. I would venture to say there a many thousands of women who are doctors/lawyers/engineers today who made extra money working Backpage when they were in college. It would be highly likely that two girls working in a strip club, even as bartenders, might be picking up extra money this way. Let me make a few points: 1. the neighbors said they had lots of "friends" coming and going. 2. The police said there was no "useful DNA". Maybe that means there was way too much DNA?, 3. She was in financial trouble on her house, then she made enough money to get out of trouble and even start renovating. They would have been making about $100 for a 1/2 hour that often only took 15 minutes, 4. They had an "event" they were supposed to work that day. That doesn't mean they were working as bartenders. 5. The police said they couldn't rule out robbery. Maybe the killer stole their computer? 6. They boiled the phones, and the text messages weren't fruitful. Again, maybe they were using the phone to access the web anonymously.

    This the sort of thing two girls could be into and nobody in their family or friends group would know about it. It's illegal and the system was set up to keep both the girl and her client anonymous. I participated in many good times with totally normal girls who were often very open that they had normal day jobs and were doing it for money and adventure and even because they liked all the sex. It wasn't unusual for them to work out of their homes. They never seemed to believe that it was dangerous.

  • John
    John Connecticut
    I am confused on one point ... the phone(s) being destroyed. I must have missed it, in the episode ... but some of the above comments seem to suggest that the phones of the victims were destroyed. So ... my question ... even if the physical phones were destroyed, does that really even matter? Wouldn't all of the same information (calls, texts, messages, etc.) still be accessible by the police through the phone company? What good would it do, to physically destroy the phones ... if all the same info is still available anyway through the phone company records? Thanks.

    I am confused on one point ... the phone(s) being destroyed. I must have missed it, in the episode ... but some of the above comments seem to suggest that the phones of the victims were destroyed. So ... my question ... even if the physical phones were destroyed, does that really even matter? Wouldn't all of the same information (calls, texts, messages, etc.) still be accessible by the police through the phone company? What good would it do, to physically destroy the phones ... if all the same info is still available anyway through the phone company records? Thanks.

  • April
    April Michigan
    I waited tables in strip clubs in my early 20s while I was living alone with my young child. The tips were amazing and allowed me to go to school while supporting my kid, but something like this happening was a constant fear of mine. While I've run into random creeps at many jobs I've had, the clubs are a whole other level, and the nature of the business begets hurt/angry male egos. I would not be surprised if that is the connection in this case, although there isn't enough information available to do anything but surmise at this point.

    I waited tables in strip clubs in my early 20s while I was living alone with my young child. The tips were amazing and allowed me to go to school while supporting my kid, but something like this happening was a constant fear of mine. While I've run into random creeps at many jobs I've had, the clubs are a whole other level, and the nature of the business begets hurt/angry male egos. I would not be surprised if that is the connection in this case, although there isn't enough information available to do anything but surmise at this point.

  • John
    John Connecticut
    Nic - yes, thanks. What you say does make sense. You should have been a detective / investigator! Thanks for the good work / great episodes. I always enjoy listening to your show. Thanks again.

    Nic - yes, thanks. What you say does make sense. You should have been a detective / investigator! Thanks for the good work / great episodes. I always enjoy listening to your show. Thanks again.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Oklahoma
    The mention of the Glass & Mason home being under renovation during or shortly before the the murders throws up a big red flag for me. I might also bring back up the fact it backs up to or has an extremely close-property line with an apartment complex opens up other investigatory efforts I hope that were followed upon by law enforcement. The renovation would most likely cause keys to be distributed to construction worker needing access and would be a possible deep pool of potential suspects to interview and take buccal swabs from for DNA extraction. These are very often prime pickings for suspects.

    The mention of the Glass & Mason home being under renovation during or shortly before the the murders throws up a big red flag for me. I might also bring back up the fact it backs up to or has an extremely close-property line with an apartment complex opens up other investigatory efforts I hope that were followed upon by law enforcement. The renovation would most likely cause keys to be distributed to construction worker needing access and would be a possible deep pool of potential suspects to interview and take buccal swabs from for DNA extraction. These are very often prime pickings for suspects.

  • Mollie
    Mollie WEST Virginia
    You mentioned the phones in the dish water as an effort to destroy evidence on the phones, as if the perpetrator had been in contact with them. But I was thinking there could be a simpler explanation. If someone came into the home and wanted to control the situation, they might have demanded the phones and tossed them into the sink so they could not be used to call for help. Just a thought! I really enjoy the show—thanks!

    You mentioned the phones in the dish water as an effort to destroy evidence on the phones, as if the perpetrator had been in contact with them. But I was thinking there could be a simpler explanation. If someone came into the home and wanted to control the situation, they might have demanded the phones and tossed them into the sink so they could not be used to call for help. Just a thought! I really enjoy the show—thanks!

  • SheilaM
    SheilaM
    I'm a bit late to this, but I think that everyone is spot on with the main theories of construction workers or clientele of the strip club. Both are possibilities in my opinion. Maybe someone from either group got obsessed with one of the young ladies and couldn't handle the lack of interest? Or maybe it had to do with the mysterious financial reversal of fortunes? The three things that jumped out at me were the "event", the phones and the dna. What was this event? We heard it was cancelled. Did it even exist? If it was a ruse as Nic suggests, might it be a fake event? If the girls knew it was cancelled who told them? Could this be what was on the phones? Information about the event that could lead to the killer? The phones trouble me. If the idea was to prevent evidence being found, then why not simply pocket the phones and take them away with them? Put them in a bigger body of water like a river, a lake or the sea? Or better still get a sledgehammer!! I really like Mollie's idea that it may have been a form of control... take away the phones and then further remove hope by immersing them in water. You don't use the word "useful" in the sentence if there was no dna found. You simply say, no dna was found. Why insert the word useful in there at all? The only thing that makes sense is that they do have dna. Why isn't it useful? Either it's too small a sample or it's more than one person's dna and they're too mixed up to produce reliable results. I am also of the belief that the /s were known to at least one of the girls and that's why they could get in or be let in so easily. All the experts say strangling is a personal crime. You have to be up close and personal with the victim and see them die. Thank you for reading this. Really enjoy the show. Not only my favourite True Crime Podcast, but my favourite podcast of all time... ever! She

    I'm a bit late to this, but I think that everyone is spot on with the main theories of construction workers or clientele of the strip club. Both are possibilities in my opinion. Maybe someone from either group got obsessed with one of the young ladies and couldn't handle the lack of interest? Or maybe it had to do with the mysterious financial reversal of fortunes?

    The three things that jumped out at me were the "event", the phones and the dna.

    What was this event? We heard it was cancelled. Did it even exist? If it was a ruse as Nic suggests, might it be a fake event? If the girls knew it was cancelled who told them? Could this be what was on the phones? Information about the event that could lead to the killer?

    The phones trouble me. If the idea was to prevent evidence being found, then why not simply pocket the phones and take them away with them? Put them in a bigger body of water like a river, a lake or the sea? Or better still get a sledgehammer!!

    I really like Mollie's idea that it may have been a form of control... take away the phones and then further remove hope by immersing them in water.

    You don't use the word "useful" in the sentence if there was no dna found. You simply say, no dna was found. Why insert the word useful in there at all? The only thing that makes sense is that they do have dna. Why isn't it useful? Either it's too small a sample or it's more than one person's dna and they're too mixed up to produce reliable results.

    I am also of the belief that the /s were known to at least one of the girls and that's why they could get in or be let in so easily. All the experts say strangling is a personal crime. You have to be up close and personal with the victim and see them die.

    Thank you for reading this. Really enjoy the show. Not only my favourite True Crime Podcast, but my favourite podcast of all time... ever! She

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