Heather Norris ////// 566

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  • Jess
    Jess Parts Unknown
    Hey guys, I just wanted to say thank you for always advocating for victims and taking the time to give us helpful resources. You both do amazing work and your podcast is my favorite!! Keep up the great work!

    Hey guys, I just wanted to say thank you for always advocating for victims and taking the time to give us helpful resources. You both do amazing work and your podcast is my favorite!! Keep up the great work!

  • I will be honest. I almost turned off this episode after about fifteen minutes, but I couldn’t do it. Just because there isn’t a complex mystery and an extreme case that causes us to scratch our heads and ask ourselves ‘What the hell’, doesn’t mean that these stories do not impact the way our society functions. The event regarding the assault on Heather at Bean’s father’s home drifted my mind to your episode on “The Killer Gene”. Tragic events like this have a ripple effect on so many people that we often forget, as what was said on the episode. We don’t know all the facts regarding Bean’s upbringing. We don’t know about his parents, his biology, his home culture, his location, his environment, his brain, and his conditioning, among other things. I am not giving Bean an excuse, but one of you two brought up nature versus nurture and asked the question, “were they born this way?”. If we assume that Bean was raised in a great home, was conditioned properly, was not exposed to dangerous toxins, never experienced any kind of brain trauma, and was led by great examples, how do you think his parents are feeling? ‘What the hell went wrong?’ ‘What did we do wrong?’ Both guys subtly mentioned warning signs of potential domestic violence and seeking counseling when and if necessary. Something was and maybe still is something wrong with Bean and others like him. Again, that doesn’t excuse what he did as he should spend the rest of his life in jail. Thanks for a simple, but very powerful case that should resonate with every parent of both girls and boys.

    I will be honest. I almost turned off this episode after about fifteen minutes, but I couldn’t do it. Just because there isn’t a complex mystery and an extreme case that causes us to scratch our heads and ask ourselves ‘What the hell’, doesn’t mean that these stories do not impact the way our society functions. The event regarding the assault on Heather at Bean’s father’s home drifted my mind to your episode on “The Killer Gene”. Tragic events like this have a ripple effect on so many people that we often forget, as what was said on the episode. We don’t know all the facts regarding Bean’s upbringing. We don’t know about his parents, his biology, his home culture, his location, his environment, his brain, and his conditioning, among other things. I am not giving Bean an excuse, but one of you two brought up nature versus nurture and asked the question, “were they born this way?”. If we assume that Bean was raised in a great home, was conditioned properly, was not exposed to dangerous toxins, never experienced any kind of brain trauma, and was led by great examples, how do you think his parents are feeling? ‘What the hell went wrong?’ ‘What did we do wrong?’

    Both guys subtly mentioned warning signs of potential domestic violence and seeking counseling when and if necessary. Something was and maybe still is something wrong with Bean and others like him. Again, that doesn’t excuse what he did as he should spend the rest of his life in jail.

    Thanks for a simple, but very powerful case that should resonate with every parent of both girls and boys.

  • Chanda Pinkney
    Chanda Pinkney
    This is a sad, but textbook DV example. I wonder if Joshua or Heather witnessed DV in the home as children. People please don't stay in DV relationships, thinking the person will get better. They don't need you to stay to become a better person.

    This is a sad, but textbook DV example. I wonder if Joshua or Heather witnessed DV in the home as children. People please don't stay in DV relationships, thinking the person will get better. They don't need you to stay to become a better person.

  • Camille
    Camille WA
    As Nic was doing the intro to this episode, I thought, "Wow, that name, Heather Norris, sounds familiar." Then he said she played basketball, and I started to get a picture of her in my mind. Then he said she went to Perry Meridian, and I thought "The Perry Meridian in Indianapolis?" and he said she went to Indiana University -- and I suddenly realized that I recalled Heather. While I didn't know her, I was a teen in Indianapolis at the same time as her and knew she was well-known for her basketball skills (Indiana LOVES their basketball). I don't think I ever knew about her murder at the time, what a terribly sad story.

    As Nic was doing the intro to this episode, I thought, "Wow, that name, Heather Norris, sounds familiar." Then he said she played basketball, and I started to get a picture of her in my mind. Then he said she went to Perry Meridian, and I thought "The Perry Meridian in Indianapolis?" and he said she went to Indiana University -- and I suddenly realized that I recalled Heather. While I didn't know her, I was a teen in Indianapolis at the same time as her and knew she was well-known for her basketball skills (Indiana LOVES their basketball). I don't think I ever knew about her murder at the time, what a terribly sad story.

  • AJ
    AJ Indiana
    Chandra is right. This was tragically such a typical domestic violence case. She thought she could handle the situation. She was isolated by him. I realize when I was young, I might have been Heather. I dated verbally abusive men and had one physically abusive incident. These men had me convinced that I was so undesirable that no one else would want me, and when I was very young, I believed that I had to hang on to any boyfriend since I wouldn't have any other chance at a relationship. So I wasn't a super model, but later in life realized that even the very beautiful girls went through some of the same stuff. Thank God I met my husband and I wised up.

    Chandra is right. This was tragically such a typical domestic violence case. She thought she could handle the situation. She was isolated by him. I realize when I was young, I might have been Heather. I dated verbally abusive men and had one physically abusive incident. These men had me convinced that I was so undesirable that no one else would want me, and when I was very young, I believed that I had to hang on to any boyfriend since I wouldn't have any other chance at a relationship. So I wasn't a super model, but later in life realized that even the very beautiful girls went through some of the same stuff. Thank God I met my husband and I wised up.

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