The Boardman Murders /// 4 Part Series

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  •  Sherri D
    Sherri D
    According to the autopsy, Brad’s last meal was chicken and pineapple, which is what he ate at the Templeman’s on Friday at 7:30. It takes somewhere between 2 to 4 hours for digestion to empty the stomach. That makes me wonder where the Saturday at 9pm time of death came from.

    According to the autopsy, Brad’s last meal was chicken and pineapple, which is what he ate at the Templeman’s on Friday at 7:30. It takes somewhere between 2 to 4 hours for digestion to empty the stomach. That makes me wonder where the Saturday at 9pm time of death came from.

  • Heather
    Heather Hobart, IN
    Do you think this could be part of the Oakland County, MI child killers? I lived in Farmington Hills, MI. The morning they found Timothy, my dad was driving west on 8 mile road and saw the commotion going on on Gil RD. Of course he stop and asked what's going on and was only told they found a boy's body. He immediately called home and told my mom to take and pick us up from school. Back then, we had to walk to the bus stop!!!!

    Do you think this could be part of the Oakland County, MI child killers? I lived in Farmington Hills, MI. The morning they found Timothy, my dad was driving west on 8 mile road and saw the commotion going on on Gil RD. Of course he stop and asked what's going on and was only told they found a boy's body. He immediately called home and told my mom to take and pick us up from school. Back then, we had to walk to the bus stop!!!!

  • Phillip B
    Phillip B South Carolina
    I lived on Mayflower Dr in Boardman. 69 to 73. Delivered papers 69 to 71 just off Market street mostly to a trailer park. This would have been very close to McClurg Rd. A lot of creeps, Bullies, and transitory people lived there. Quit because I didn’t feel safe. Hope the police looked at that area and group of people.

    I lived on Mayflower Dr in Boardman. 69 to 73. Delivered papers 69 to 71 just off Market street mostly to a trailer park. This would have been very close to McClurg Rd. A lot of creeps, Bullies, and transitory people lived there. Quit because I didn’t feel safe. Hope the police looked at that area and group of people.

  • Jenny
    Jenny Atlanta
    I have exactly the same question as the one above.

    I have exactly the same question as the one above.

  • Wesley
    Wesley Detroit
    This is exactly what I was thinking, he was killed on the night he went missing. If he were killed a whole day later then the autopsy would have difficulty determining his last meal - it would be digested . I think our narrator made a mistake.

    This is exactly what I was thinking, he was killed on the night he went missing. If he were killed a whole day later then the autopsy would have difficulty determining his last meal - it would be digested . I think our narrator made a mistake.

  • Tammie Osborne
    Tammie Osborne Boardman, OH
    I grew up in Boardman. My childhood home was on a street that ended at the plaza, right near the mentioned dumpster, and the mall was out my back door, across the street from our block. You could see the Sears sign from our kitchen table, and JC Penney was on the other end of the mall. We moved into the house in 1974, so I was 2-ish when we moved in, and I was actually born on the second anniversary of Thomas Bard's death. My grandparents started and ran the most prominent drycleaners in town, so they knew everybody. Believe me when I tell you no parent in the area of younger kids was the slightest bit worried about this. I am freaked out a bit knowing my mother was NOT at all worried, and let me go to the plaza with other neighborhood kids my age at 5 and 6. The summer my friend Jeff and I were 6, as a matter of fact, we spent almost every day at the movie theater watching The House of Wax with Vincent Price for $1 each - one, because there was air conditioning but mostly to get out of our mothers' hairs. I just asked another friend of mine, same age, who lived just a couple houses from the plaza and within view of those dumpsters, if he remembers any of this or if his parents were worried and he did not even know about it. Maybe it was because we grew up 7 miles from a violent city (Youngstown) that was shrouded by Mafia hits and racial violence issues, but seriously, until recently, those of us turning 50 this year had really no idea these murders even happened. And we lived right there. So yeah.

    I grew up in Boardman. My childhood home was on a street that ended at the plaza, right near the mentioned dumpster, and the mall was out my back door, across the street from our block. You could see the Sears sign from our kitchen table, and JC Penney was on the other end of the mall. We moved into the house in 1974, so I was 2-ish when we moved in, and I was actually born on the second anniversary of Thomas Bard's death. My grandparents started and ran the most prominent drycleaners in town, so they knew everybody. Believe me when I tell you no parent in the area of younger kids was the slightest bit worried about this. I am freaked out a bit knowing my mother was NOT at all worried, and let me go to the plaza with other neighborhood kids my age at 5 and 6. The summer my friend Jeff and I were 6, as a matter of fact, we spent almost every day at the movie theater watching The House of Wax with Vincent Price for $1 each - one, because there was air conditioning but mostly to get out of our mothers' hairs. I just asked another friend of mine, same age, who lived just a couple houses from the plaza and within view of those dumpsters, if he remembers any of this or if his parents were worried and he did not even know about it. Maybe it was because we grew up 7 miles from a violent city (Youngstown) that was shrouded by Mafia hits and racial violence issues, but seriously, until recently, those of us turning 50 this year had really no idea these murders even happened. And we lived right there. So yeah.

  • Tracy
    Tracy MA
    Great episodes again guys. I was wondering the same thing as Sherri about Brad's time of death. Also what was the deal with Brad's brother phoning the Templeman's after 10 pm on Friday (after Don was in bed), and the Templemans driving Brad's route to try to find him? Did both households just give up and go to bed after that? I'm sorry if I missed something.

    Great episodes again guys. I was wondering the same thing as Sherri about Brad's time of death. Also what was the deal with Brad's brother phoning the Templeman's after 10 pm on Friday (after Don was in bed), and the Templemans driving Brad's route to try to find him? Did both households just give up and go to bed after that? I'm sorry if I missed something.

  •  Debi
    Debi
    My parents were friends of Joe and Lisa Bellino. All have since passed. There is something nobody ever knew publicly. Bradley was sexually assaulted with a broomstick inserted into his rectum. I remember my parents and others talking about it. It was never in print to my recollection. I always thought his Mom didn’t want it out there. Also he was riding his bike that day. Don’t recall but think it was recovered. Also Applewood Acres is approximately 2-3 miles from crime scene. Perps had to have a vehicle. I don’t recall the other boys sadly. I do know the Boardman Poland road area. It’s actually 224. Where the diabetic boy was found. I was too young I guess. This incident of Brad was talked about for years. Horrifying to them and the community. Good job covering everything. I wish you’d cover Joanne Coughlin. She went missing in Dec. 1974 from a health club parking lot in Boardman Ohio. Never found. Declared dead in 1985. Unsolved mysteries covered it. Still unsolved. Perhaps you guys could shed new light? I’m a beer fund supporter! Black cat from last June! :) Thanks for a terrific listen to each podcast! XO

    My parents were friends of Joe and Lisa Bellino. All have since passed.
    There is something nobody ever knew publicly. Bradley was sexually assaulted with a broomstick inserted into his rectum. I remember my parents and others talking about it. It was never in print to my recollection. I always thought his Mom didn’t want it out there. Also he was riding his bike that day. Don’t recall but think it was recovered.
    Also Applewood Acres is approximately 2-3 miles from crime scene. Perps had to have a vehicle.
    I don’t recall the other boys sadly. I do know the Boardman Poland road area. It’s actually 224. Where the diabetic boy was found. I was too young I guess.
    This incident of Brad was talked about for years. Horrifying to them and the community.
    Good job covering everything.
    I wish you’d cover Joanne Coughlin. She went missing in Dec. 1974 from a health club parking lot in Boardman Ohio. Never found. Declared dead in 1985. Unsolved mysteries covered it. Still unsolved. Perhaps you guys could shed new light?
    I’m a beer fund supporter! Black cat from last June! smile
    Thanks for a terrific listen to each podcast! XO

  • Paul
    Paul TX
    I remember this day. It was Chief Hartsock's first day at BPD. Rupp and Shafer gave it their all, as did ALL of BPD. Also it was the same day a car bomb blew up a mod treasurer.

    I remember this day. It was Chief Hartsock's first day at BPD. Rupp and Shafer gave it their all, as did ALL of BPD. Also it was the same day a car bomb blew up a mod treasurer.

  • Katie
    Katie Vancouver, WA
    I echo Sherri D. I had the EXACT same question. Had it emptied into his intestines? If the meal was in his stomach…he was killed on Saturday.

    I echo Sherri D. I had the EXACT same question. Had it emptied into his intestines? If the meal was in his stomach…he was killed on Saturday.

  • Lori
    Lori Michigan
    Love your work! Where can I find the link to the blog? Also, there is a weird case in MI about a guy named Todd Geib. He disappeared from a party and was found dead, standing up in a lake. Creepy af. Might make for a good show …

    Love your work! Where can I find the link to the blog?

    Also, there is a weird case in MI about a guy named Todd Geib. He disappeared from a party and was found dead, standing up in a lake. Creepy af. Might make for a good show …

  • Jenny
    Jenny Michigan
    This makes me think of a 13 year old boy, Shawn Moore, who was kidnapped, molested, then murdered by a man named Ronald Lloyd Bailey in 1985. It happened in Brighton, MI. Bailey had done the same to another boy the year prior in Redford, MI. So freaking sad :(

    This makes me think of a 13 year old boy, Shawn Moore, who was kidnapped, molested, then murdered by a man named Ronald Lloyd Bailey in 1985. It happened in Brighton, MI. Bailey had done the same to another boy the year prior in Redford, MI. So freaking sad frown

  • Bob
    Bob IN
    Had the same question as Tracy. Brad's brother called the Templeman's house saying Brad had not arrived home. The Templeman's drove the route and that was it? Nobody said anything until noon the next day? Maybe i missed something too.

    Had the same question as Tracy. Brad's brother called the Templeman's house saying Brad had not arrived home. The Templeman's drove the route and that was it? Nobody said anything until noon the next day? Maybe i missed something too.

  • Kim B
    Kim B St. Louis, MO
    Sherri D- I was think the same exact thing. I am hoping we are missing some of the details and it's not just a medical flub that could have cost the case.

    Sherri D- I was think the same exact thing. I am hoping we are missing some of the details and it's not just a medical flub that could have cost the case.

  • Derek
    Derek Georgia
    I love this podcast! Keep up the great work. The case Debi mentioned sounds interesting as well.

    I love this podcast! Keep up the great work.

    The case Debi mentioned sounds interesting as well.

  • Linda
    Linda Richmond va
    Maybe the killer, as a pedophile and murderer, had children’s belts already in his possession and that was The one that was around Brad‘s neck…. Especially if someone said he already had a belt on…

    Maybe the killer, as a pedophile and murderer, had children’s belts already in his possession and that was The one that was around Brad‘s neck…. Especially if someone said he already had a belt on…

  • tracy
    tracy NY
    Obscure thought maybe, but I wonder if anyone check for a connection with Randy Kraft. He was a serial killer living in California but was known to travel. He prayed on boys and young men during the same timespan as these cases. He dump the victims in obvious places to. He had a list of victims he kept with him. He gave his victims nicknames/code names and some haven't been linked still. One of these entries just reads the "diabetic". Could be a long shot but I still wonder.

    Obscure thought maybe, but I wonder if anyone check for a connection with Randy Kraft. He was a serial killer living in California but was known to travel. He prayed on boys and young men during the same timespan as these cases. He dump the victims in obvious places to. He had a list of victims he kept with him. He gave his victims nicknames/code names and some haven't been linked still. One of these entries just reads the "diabetic". Could be a long shot but I still wonder.

  • Cynthia Johnson
    Cynthia Johnson
    I just finished reading "There's Something Happening Here" and I found it to be very well written. Do members of the clergy play into the investigation?

    I just finished reading "There's Something Happening Here" and I found it to be very well written. Do members of the clergy play into the investigation?

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ All - these are great questions and discussion points. We will do our best to address all of these or at least most of them in either parts 3 or 4 next week. Cheers Nic

    @ All - these are great questions and discussion points. We will do our best to address all of these or at least most of them in either parts 3 or 4 next week.
    Cheers Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ All - these are great questions and discussion points. We will do our best to address all of these or at least most of them in either parts 3 or 4 next week. Cheers Nic

    @ All - these are great questions and discussion points. We will do our best to address all of these or at least most of them in either parts 3 or 4 next week.
    Cheers Nic

  • Scott
    Scott CO
    Stitcher is asking me to pay for part 3. Did you guys decide to release that as premium content?

    Stitcher is asking me to pay for part 3.
    Did you guys decide to release that as premium content?

  •  Debi
    Debi
    Hey guys. We ran a hair salon back then. Me and my Mom who her and my Dad were great friends of Brads parents. Besides the inserted broom stick his privates were chewed. I remember all of the talk as does my sister. We were terrified. I’m half way through part 3. I’m praying Brads case will see resolve! Btw Ohio born raised and weather pisser! 😁 I pray recovery for all 3! XO

    Hey guys. We ran a hair salon back then. Me and my Mom who her and my Dad were great friends of Brads parents.
    Besides the inserted broom stick his privates were chewed.
    I remember all of the talk as does my sister. We were terrified.
    I’m half way through part 3. I’m praying Brads case will see resolve! Btw Ohio born raised and weather pisser! 😁
    I pray recovery for all 3! XO

  •  Debi
    Debi
    Dr Belinky coroner was for sure in trouble in the future. We had a very political Mahoning valley Also Brad drove his bike. Truth. No walking !

    Dr Belinky coroner was for sure in trouble in the future. We had a very political Mahoning valley
    Also Brad drove his bike. Truth. No walking !

  • Seth
    Seth TN - Tennessee
    Brad's father told him to come home. To be home by 9. Yet he didn't check to see if his son was home when he arrived later that night and didn't call authorities until Saturday afternoon? Is that correct? If so, then I find that concerning..

    Brad's father told him to come home. To be home by 9. Yet he didn't check to see if his son was home when he arrived later that night and didn't call authorities until Saturday afternoon? Is that correct? If so, then I find that concerning..

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Hi Scott - that is an error. I would reboot the device or close out of the stitcher app and try again. Don't buy - it's a FREE episode. If you have additional problems post here. Thanks for listening! Nic

    Hi Scott - that is an error. I would reboot the device or close out of the stitcher app and try again. Don't buy - it's a FREE episode. If you have additional problems post here. Thanks for listening!
    Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Hi Scott - that is an error. I would reboot the device or close out of the stitcher app and try again. Don't buy - it's a FREE episode. If you have additional problems post here. Thanks for listening! Nic

    Hi Scott - that is an error. I would reboot the device or close out of the stitcher app and try again. Don't buy - it's a FREE episode. If you have additional problems post here. Thanks for listening!
    Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Seth - Yes - that is how the story goes. Per the coroner's report. Nic

    @ Seth - Yes - that is how the story goes. Per the coroner's report.
    Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Seth - Yes - that is how the story goes. Per the coroner's report. Nic

    @ Seth - Yes - that is how the story goes. Per the coroner's report.
    Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Seth - Yes - that is how the story goes. Per the coroner's report. Nic

    @ Seth - Yes - that is how the story goes. Per the coroner's report.
    Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    From DEBI... Error occurred when approving post. Hey guys. We ran a hair salon back then. Me and my Mom who her and my Dad were great friends of Brads parents. I remember all of the talk as does my sister. We were terrified. I’m half way through part 3. I’m praying Brads case will see resolve! Btw Ohio born raised and weather pisser! 😁 I pray recovery for all 3! XO

    From DEBI... Error occurred when approving post.

    Hey guys. We ran a hair salon back then. Me and my Mom who her and my Dad were great friends of Brads parents.
    I remember all of the talk as does my sister. We were terrified.
    I’m half way through part 3. I’m praying Brads case will see resolve! Btw Ohio born raised and weather pisser! 😁
    I pray recovery for all 3! XO

  • Joanne K.
    Joanne K. Kingston, Ontario, Canada
    Hey there…I was wondering if there was a link between diabetes and food digestion wrt to the time of death issue. Especially since Brad didn’t have his insulin. I did a quick Google search and sure enough; slower digestion is definitely a thing in some diabetics. I don’t know how much slower…I am nothing even approaching a medical professional lol Here’s a link to the condition. It’s called gastroparesis. https://www.diabetescarecommunity.ca/living-well-with-diabetes-articles/diabetes-management-articles/diabetes-and-gastroparesis/?gclid=CjwKCAjw9LSSBhBsEiwAKtf0nyivT1Ou8W3kfI_GVW_eBn0Giv8wfhKJWJRSM0nIOPuQfXCC0IljPRoCUWcQAvD_BwE Love the show. Love both you guys. 🥰 Joanne

    Hey there…I was wondering if there was a link between diabetes and food digestion wrt to the time of death issue. Especially since Brad didn’t have his insulin.

    I did a quick Google search and sure enough; slower digestion is definitely a thing in some diabetics.

    I don’t know how much slower…I am nothing even approaching a medical professional lol

    Here’s a link to the condition. It’s called gastroparesis.
    https://www.diabetescarecommunity.ca/living-well-with-diabetes-articles/diabetes-management-articles/diabetes-and-gastroparesis/?gclid=CjwKCAjw9LSSBhBsEiwAKtf0nyivT1Ou8W3kfI_GVW_eBn0Giv8wfhKJWJRSM0nIOPuQfXCC0IljPRoCUWcQAvD_BwE

    Love the show. Love both you guys. 🥰

    Joanne

  • Bill
    Bill Tennessee
    I was 14 years old and lived in Youngstown when Brad Bellino was murder. I remember the sensationalism and gossip about his death. Later as an adult I followed a few investigations about this unsolved case. One aspect that most investigators don’t discuss is the interactions between the police and the gay community about this murder. The gay community in the area was small and closed at that time. I had heard they mistrusted the authorities, were afraid of a witch hunt and definitely didn’t want to be associated with pedophilia . Pedophiles are mostly not homosexual but someone in that community may have meet or suspected someone with that penchant for young teen boys.

    I was 14 years old and lived in Youngstown when Brad Bellino was murder. I remember the sensationalism and gossip about his death. Later as an adult I followed a few investigations about this unsolved case. One aspect that most investigators don’t discuss is the interactions between the police and the gay community about this murder. The gay community in the area was small and closed at that time. I had heard they mistrusted the authorities, were afraid of a witch hunt and definitely didn’t want to be associated with pedophilia . Pedophiles are mostly not homosexual but someone in that community may have meet or suspected someone with that penchant for young teen boys.

  • Cathy
    Cathy Virginia
    Just finished listening to part 3--great work, as always. I just want to point out, if the police's actual words are "....his last meal was the meal he consumed that friday" this doesn't mean they actually found chicken and pineapple in his stomach during the autopsy. If they found nothing in his stomach, the police statement is still true. Does the autopsy say anything at all about stomach contents? I mean, that's such a basic element of an autopsy, I can't believe it was omitted all together. If there is no statement at all, you're missing at least one page of that report, and I'd go back to the coroner's office and say, yeah, that's real funny guys, now give me the whole report.

    Just finished listening to part 3--great work, as always. I just want to point out, if the police's actual words are "....his last meal was the meal he consumed that friday" this doesn't mean they actually found chicken and pineapple in his stomach during the autopsy. If they found nothing in his stomach, the police statement is still true. Does the autopsy say anything at all about stomach contents? I mean, that's such a basic element of an autopsy, I can't believe it was omitted all together. If there is no statement at all, you're missing at least one page of that report, and I'd go back to the coroner's office and say, yeah, that's real funny guys, now give me the whole report.

  • Moon Minx
    Moon Minx
    Nic, in a nutshell: there are 2 branches of Christianity: Catholic and Protestant. The Catholic person preaching is a priest; the Protestant person preaching is a pastor. 😊

    Nic, in a nutshell: there are 2 branches of Christianity: Catholic and Protestant. The Catholic person preaching is a priest; the Protestant person preaching is a pastor. 😊

  • Pamela
    Pamela MI
    I see that Heather asked my question above, if this might be part of the Oakland County Killer murderers. I also was a child in Oakland County during that time and my father was a police officer. I have been very curious about how pedophiles found each other. I remember the Man Boy Love Association and I always wondered what kind of connection there was between members and crimes like these. Nic, do you know of any books looking at the overall look in the US of pedophile rings in the 70's? I feel like there's got to be a connection between a lot of these cases from state to state. :) Thanks Pam

    I see that Heather asked my question above, if this might be part of the Oakland County Killer murderers. I also was a child in Oakland County during that time and my father was a police officer. I have been very curious about how pedophiles found each other. I remember the Man Boy Love Association and I always wondered what kind of connection there was between members and crimes like these.
    Nic, do you know of any books looking at the overall look in the US of pedophile rings in the 70's? I feel like there's got to be a connection between a lot of these cases from state to state. smile Thanks Pam

  • Matilda
    Matilda Finland
    I was just waiting to hear Steven Avery, and couldn't figure out why. Then I realised the music reminds me so much of the music in Making a murderer! Anybody else hear it?

    I was just waiting to hear Steven Avery, and couldn't figure out why. Then I realised the music reminds me so much of the music in Making a murderer! Anybody else hear it?

  • Seth
    Seth TN - Tennessee
    Thanks for the response. Got hooked on True Crime Garage after hearing you two cover the Oklahoma Girl Scout Murders years ago. The slow burn format, the research, and the chemistry between you and the Captain is what sets True Crime Garage apart from all the others.

    Thanks for the response. Got hooked on True Crime Garage after hearing you two cover the Oklahoma Girl Scout Murders years ago. The slow burn format, the research, and the chemistry between you and the Captain is what sets True Crime Garage apart from all the others.

  • Johnny
    Johnny California
    Love your podcast!

    Love your podcast!

  • Amy
    Amy Louisiana
    The Baird case possibly involved an 18 year old at the skating rink. In episode 3 you mentioned how 15 was an upper age to be at a skating rink. Assuming the 18 year old was not an employee, 18 is very much older end to be at the skating rink. An 18 year old wearing a size 22/24 belt wouldn’t be unheard of. To me, this is a shaky connection to Bellino. I do believe Brad died the Friday night. A connection to Evans could be that the perp was escalating and kept the boy for a couple days. These are very loose connections, but I don’t think we can count out a possibility of an 18 year old as unsub. Particularly one prone to violence on a younger child. (15)

    The Baird case possibly involved an 18 year old at the skating rink. In episode 3 you mentioned how 15 was an upper age to be at a skating rink. Assuming the 18 year old was not an employee, 18 is very much older end to be at the skating rink. An 18 year old wearing a size 22/24 belt wouldn’t be unheard of. To me, this is a shaky connection to Bellino. I do believe Brad died the Friday night. A connection to Evans could be that the perp was escalating and kept the boy for a couple days. These are very loose connections, but I don’t think we can count out a possibility of an 18 year old as unsub. Particularly one prone to violence on a younger child. (15)

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ All - it is amazing to see that these cases and our coverage have inspired such great conversation and thoughts posted here. Talking, keeps these cases alive. - Cheers Nic

    @ All - it is amazing to see that these cases and our coverage have inspired such great conversation and thoughts posted here. Talking, keeps these cases alive. - Cheers Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Joanne - thank you for the post and the research. David Evans was the victim with diabetes. But what you have found may have played a factor in that case. Cheers Nic

    @ Joanne - thank you for the post and the research. David Evans was the victim with diabetes. But what you have found may have played a factor in that case.
    Cheers Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Cathy - you are absolutely right! I believe we have just the first filing of what likely is one of at least two reports. No food listed or mentioned in the four page doc that we have. The Bellino case is hot right now. They won't release anything. The items I have were collected at least five years ago. Everything is very tight lipped right now and therefor I think that they might be getting close. At least with the Bellino case. I had hopes on Evans but that is fading. Cheers Nic

    @ Cathy - you are absolutely right! I believe we have just the first filing of what likely is one of at least two reports. No food listed or mentioned in the four page doc that we have. The Bellino case is hot right now. They won't release anything. The items I have were collected at least five years ago. Everything is very tight lipped right now and therefor I think that they might be getting close. At least with the Bellino case. I had hopes on Evans but that is fading.
    Cheers Nic

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Amy - thanks for posting. As for the 18 year old at the rink... That was the Captain talking and I don't know if he has information or source that is telling him that an 18 year old did this to Baird solo or if he was just throwing out a hypothetical?? All of the information I have is that it was a group of boys that jumped him. This comes from multiple sources all stating the same. I believe this is probably right but I don't have any ages of the boys involved. BPD did work these three cases as separate but also worked them as connected which is interesting. From what I have been able to view of the police work they really were working the Bellino and Evans case as they were connected. Meaning until they had an arrest for one of the murders Bellino OR Evans / OR something proving that they were not connected they (BPM) they were treating those two cases as if they were likely committed by the same perp. Personally I think that none of the three are connected. I also think that the killer of Brad Bellino probably died or moved away months or within a couple of years after the murder. I think that is what is leading to the problems with the DNA evidence that they have. Cheers Nic

    @ Amy - thanks for posting. As for the 18 year old at the rink... That was the Captain talking and I don't know if he has information or source that is telling him that an 18 year old did this to Baird solo or if he was just throwing out a hypothetical??
    All of the information I have is that it was a group of boys that jumped him. This comes from multiple sources all stating the same. I believe this is probably right but I don't have any ages of the boys involved. BPD did work these three cases as separate but also worked them as connected which is interesting. From what I have been able to view of the police work they really were working the Bellino and Evans case as they were connected. Meaning until they had an arrest for one of the murders Bellino OR Evans / OR something proving that they were not connected they (BPM) they were treating those two cases as if they were likely committed by the same perp. Personally I think that none of the three are connected. I also think that the killer of Brad Bellino probably died or moved away months or within a couple of years after the murder. I think that is what is leading to the problems with the DNA evidence that they have.
    Cheers Nic

  • Joanne
    Joanne Kingston, Ontario, Canada
    Geez Nic…I feel like such a bonehead confusing the cases…and so disrespectful to the victims. And here I thought I was Ms. Smarty Pants with the diabetes thing 🤦🏼‍♀️ My first comment after listening since basically the beginning and it’s wrong. FML lol

    Geez Nic…I feel like such a bonehead confusing the cases…and so disrespectful to the victims. And here I thought I was Ms. Smarty Pants with the diabetes thing 🤦🏼‍♀️

    My first comment after listening since basically the beginning and it’s wrong. FML lol

  • Sandra
    Sandra Tx
    Just a quick nit pick. I believe it's called "child abuse materials" and no longer called child pornography. Much love to y'all! Keep up the great stories. Source: https://www.interpol.int/en/Crimes/Crimes-against-children/Appropriate-terminology

    Just a quick nit pick. I believe it's called "child abuse materials" and no longer called child pornography. Much love to y'all! Keep up the great stories.
    Source: https://www.interpol.int/en/Crimes/Crimes-against-children/Appropriate-terminology

  •  Debi
    Debi
    Just finished episode 4. I appreciate the coverage you’ve given to all of the boys. Interesting theories. I hope the Bellino case is close to a conclusion. Living here I’m sure I’ll hear about it. Your podcast has started “memory talk”among my family and friends. Great job! If it does promise to do an update!

    Just finished episode 4. I appreciate the coverage you’ve given to all of the boys. Interesting theories. I hope the Bellino case is close to a conclusion. Living here I’m sure I’ll hear about it. Your podcast has started “memory talk”among my family and friends. Great job!
    If it does promise to do an update!

  • Mike
    Mike Youngstown
    As far as Catholic clergy having anything to do with Bellino, you must take into account it was on Good Friday that he went missing. As a Catholic in the Youngstown area, I can assure you that this is the busiest weekend of the year for priests and there were likely Friday night services to attend to. Do we dare throw out an organized crime element to this? The Youngstown area of that time was heavily embedded with lawlessness from organized crime. Were the parents in gambling debt to horrible people (Bellino's father was in his 40s staying out until 2 a.m. Was he gambling?)? Were there any instances of revenge? Rogue sexual deviants within the syndicates?

    As far as Catholic clergy having anything to do with Bellino, you must take into account it was on Good Friday that he went missing. As a Catholic in the Youngstown area, I can assure you that this is the busiest weekend of the year for priests and there were likely Friday night services to attend to.

    Do we dare throw out an organized crime element to this? The Youngstown area of that time was heavily embedded with lawlessness from organized crime. Were the parents in gambling debt to horrible people (Bellino's father was in his 40s staying out until 2 a.m. Was he gambling?)? Were there any instances of revenge? Rogue sexual deviants within the syndicates?

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Joanne - don't beat yourself up. It's easy to do. We were talking about three cases, three victims - it's easy to mix a name. I'm glad you enjoyed the series and I love hearing that you took it a step further to do a deep dive of your own. Cheers Nic

    @ Joanne - don't beat yourself up. It's easy to do. We were talking about three cases, three victims - it's easy to mix a name. I'm glad you enjoyed the series and I love hearing that you took it a step further to do a deep dive of your own.
    Cheers Nic

  • K
    K MO
    Was the Templeton dad who was “sick in bed” completely cleared? Assuming so since it wasn’t discussed, but just doesn’t seem like an airtight alibi unless kids had eyes on him the whole time. Apologies if I missed something. Thanks!

    Was the Templeton dad who was “sick in bed” completely cleared? Assuming so since it wasn’t discussed, but just doesn’t seem like an airtight alibi unless kids had eyes on him the whole time. Apologies if I missed something. Thanks!

  • Susan
    Susan Wayne, Il
    Good job Colonel & Captain! Come back next week!!

    Good job Colonel & Captain! Come back next week!!

  • Brigitte
    Brigitte Colorado
    On the case of Thomas, had anyone thought of questioning the boys that he had an argument with ? At that time the town was much smaller and the other persons might have been easy to find . There was another question I had , but forgot already . Blame it on old age 😂 love the show, but sometimes I have questions , that’s when I wish I was part of the conversation.

    On the case of Thomas, had anyone thought of questioning the boys that he had an argument with ? At that time the town was much smaller and the other persons might have been easy to find . There was another question I had , but forgot already . Blame it on old age 😂 love the show, but sometimes I have questions , that’s when I wish I was part of the conversation.

  • Downtown
    Downtown Columbus OH
    Hi guys! Love the show! I am a physician, board certified in Pediatrics and a couple of other things as well. So...an autopsy on any 10-12 year old boy that finds no bruising anywhere is suspicious, making me think it was not thorough. It's just that a bruise here or there on arms or shins would be a normal finding at this age. Bruising anywhere else would be suspicious. It is possible no bruising was truly noted (I believe this was Brad B) but more likely a kid this age would have a bruise or two from everyday rough-housing. It raises the question if something could have been missed. Just a thought...

    Hi guys! Love the show! I am a physician, board certified in Pediatrics and a couple of other things as well. So...an autopsy on any 10-12 year old boy that finds no bruising anywhere is suspicious, making me think it was not thorough. It's just that a bruise here or there on arms or shins would be a normal finding at this age. Bruising anywhere else would be suspicious. It is possible no bruising was truly noted (I believe this was Brad B) but more likely a kid this age would have a bruise or two from everyday rough-housing. It raises the question if something could have been missed. Just a thought...

  • Xavier
    Xavier Melbourne
    I'm curious. How did you guys get Bellino's autopsy report?

    I'm curious. How did you guys get Bellino's autopsy report?

  • Luciana S
    Luciana S
    Keep up the good work guys.

    Keep up the good work guys.

  • Cathy S
    Cathy S Boston
    That’s great they have dna in brad’s case. I’m surprised they haven’t had any luck with genetic genealogy. At least they can rule suspects out. Any idea if there is dna in the other cases? Also, wondering if there has been any other child murdered in that town since. Thanks.

    That’s great they have dna in brad’s case. I’m surprised they haven’t had any luck with genetic genealogy. At least they can rule suspects out. Any idea if there is dna in the other cases? Also, wondering if there has been any other child murdered in that town since. Thanks.

  • Linda
    Linda Ohio
    I'm only on part 1, but if Brad was held overnight, how did the coroner find food in his stomach?

    I'm only on part 1, but if Brad was held overnight, how did the coroner find food in his stomach?

  • Heather
    Heather Scotland
    Hey, don't want to be 'that guy' but I promised myself that I would call it out whenever I came across it... there is no such thing as child pornography, that implies some form of production or consent. It is images of child abuse.

    Hey, don't want to be 'that guy' but I promised myself that I would call it out whenever I came across it... there is no such thing as child pornography, that implies some form of production or consent. It is images of child abuse.

  • Linda
    Linda Cortland, OH
    Wow, I was a teenager living in Youngstown, Ohio in the 70's and I don't remember ever hearing about these, this is so sad. He mentioned Thomas Baird and a roller rink, I used to go to one in an area close to Boardman in those years also, I wonder if it was the same one.

    Wow, I was a teenager living in Youngstown, Ohio in the 70's and I don't remember ever hearing about these, this is so sad. He mentioned Thomas Baird and a roller rink, I used to go to one in an area close to Boardman in those years also, I wonder if it was the same one.

  • Mary
    Mary VA
    Don’t discount the priest being involved. There were suspicions about one of the local priests for a long time, and he later committed suicide.

    Don’t discount the priest being involved. There were suspicions about one of the local priests for a long time, and he later committed suicide.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Heather - you do understand that if you watch or listen to the news when someone is arrested it is almost always reported as child pornography charges. We get this "word police" type of complaint a lot. I appreciate your post. It is also assumed by the law that a child cannot consent to such things so no it does not imply consent. Cheers Nic

    @ Heather - you do understand that if you watch or listen to the news when someone is arrested it is almost always reported as child pornography charges. We get this "word police" type of complaint a lot. I appreciate your post. It is also assumed by the law that a child cannot consent to such things so no it does not imply consent.
    Cheers Nic

  • Rob
    Rob Seattle
    So, I’m a former Washington cop and investigator. Decided to take a listen to this podcast for fun. The broad man murders are to me, and I presume most officers and investigators an obvious case of a serial sexual predator/ murderer. Granted I have 50+ year of technology advancement that these guys didn’t have, to include serial murder/ behavioral sciences. There are some major consistencies in the mindset of this murderer. And what I’m saying is that this person wasn’t concerned with hiding bodies. At all. The dumpster issue, and further the young man dumped down the embankment. Now, if I am a murderer and I am sexually assaulting these youths( potentially repeatedly) I want them alive. (This is because necrophilia is incredibly rare so it’s unwise to assume assault happened post death) Generally insulin is given near meal times. I feed this kid, and then he dies from his unregulated diabetes. Now I have to go dump this body. So I do. Quickly, probably overnight(due to patron frequency in the area, and not only that the body was frozen) that indicates timeline for us a little more. Now, we know in modern day a lot of serial killers and sexual predators have some kind of general propensity to be unable to regulate in normal society and with others. With that being said, it isn’t uncommon for a murderer to have been arrested in other locations. To say these aren’t related to serial murder is asinine to be Frank. I want to keep typing, but I have to return to work.

    So, I’m a former Washington cop and investigator. Decided to take a listen to this podcast for fun.

    The broad man murders are to me, and I presume most officers and investigators an obvious case of a serial sexual predator/ murderer.

    Granted I have 50+ year of technology advancement that these guys didn’t have, to include serial murder/ behavioral sciences.

    There are some major consistencies in the mindset of this murderer. And what I’m saying is that this person wasn’t concerned with hiding bodies. At all. The dumpster issue, and further the young man dumped down the embankment.

    Now, if I am a murderer and I am sexually assaulting these youths( potentially repeatedly) I want them alive. (This is because necrophilia is incredibly rare so it’s unwise to assume assault happened post death) Generally insulin is given near meal times. I feed this kid, and then he dies from his unregulated diabetes.

    Now I have to go dump this body. So I do. Quickly, probably overnight(due to patron frequency in the area, and not only that the body was frozen) that indicates timeline for us a little more.

    Now, we know in modern day a lot of serial killers and sexual predators have some kind of general propensity to be unable to regulate in normal society and with others. With that being said, it isn’t uncommon for a murderer to have been arrested in other locations.

    To say these aren’t related to serial murder is asinine to be Frank.

    I want to keep typing, but I have to return to work.

  • Robert
    Robert Seattle
    To be clear. Only two of these murders are related

    To be clear. Only two of these murders are related

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Xavier - it is not uncommon for us to obtain these docs when researching the case. Most of the time we get them via foil requests but a phone call still works as well. Cheers Nic

    @ Xavier - it is not uncommon for us to obtain these docs when researching the case. Most of the time we get them via foil requests but a phone call still works as well.
    Cheers Nic

  • Bill
    Bill Olympia WA
    Hey, Wasn’t their supposed to be a photo and info on a Thomas Blankenship, wanted out of Delaware County?

    Hey,
    Wasn’t their supposed to be a photo and info on a Thomas Blankenship, wanted out of Delaware County?

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Yes - and we got so caught up in the case that we didn't get to an update. He was picked up on charges in another county. Thanks for checking Bill. Cheers Nic

    Yes - and we got so caught up in the case that we didn't get to an update. He was picked up on charges in another county.
    Thanks for checking Bill. Cheers Nic

  • Nicole
    Nicole Liberty, Missouri
    The container that the second victim was found in is actually a dumpster. It’s probably a two yarder.

    The container that the second victim was found in is actually a dumpster. It’s probably a two yarder.

  • InkyDinkyDude
    InkyDinkyDude Pittsburgh, PA
    Since we’re all speculating… I’ll add some wild speculation. Regarding time of death and last meal… maybe both are correct. What if he never left his friend’s house? What if someone in the household was responsible? Fed him leftovers the following day? Were they looked into?

    Since we’re all speculating… I’ll add some wild speculation. Regarding time of death and last meal… maybe both are correct. What if he never left his friend’s house? What if someone in the household was responsible? Fed him leftovers the following day? Were they looked into?

  • Rachael  Graham
    Rachael Graham
    DAVID EVANS I have a theory. This is just a theory, I do not have any information that validates my thoughts. I had a very long drive yesterday and had the opportunity to listen to the series and THINK. Here me out, don’t come for me bc this is just my thoughts/ideas What if…. Mom of David Evans had a boyfriend just prior to getting with David’s dad. Mom got pregnant with David early in her relationship and it left doubt with the ex-boyfriend as to whether or not he could be the dad. Mom, Dad and David move to Ohio. Years later the ex decides he wants to know if David is his. Maybe is curiosity, maybe it’s for a health reason. He locates Mom and Dad and confirms David’s identity by seeing him talking to dad that day on the corner. He approaches David after dad drives away. David is apprehensive, maybe even frantic and he grabs David and puts him in the car to give him time to calm down and allow him to explain. Maybe the ex takes David somewhere to talk and maybe get a DNA test. Perhaps he keeps David too long (not knowing of his medical issues) and David has a medical emergency. The Ex freaks out when David becomes unconscious and drops him somewhere he will quickly be found and possibly helped. But before dropping him, he gets some tissue from David in hopes of getting DNA (small hole on David’s body) I know this is a wild ride but I had to share it bc it seems it’s always the craziest situations that end up being the truth. (And maybe my mind runs a little crazy bc I’m a crime junkie)

    DAVID EVANS
    I have a theory. This is just a theory, I do not have any information that validates my thoughts. I had a very long drive yesterday and had the opportunity to listen to the series and THINK.

    Here me out, don’t come for me bc this is just my thoughts/ideas

    What if….
    Mom of David Evans had a boyfriend just prior to getting with David’s dad. Mom got pregnant with David early in her relationship and it left doubt with the ex-boyfriend as to whether or not he could be the dad.
    Mom, Dad and David move to Ohio.
    Years later the ex decides he wants to know if David is his. Maybe is curiosity, maybe it’s for a health reason. He locates Mom and Dad and confirms David’s identity by seeing him talking to dad that day on the corner.
    He approaches David after dad drives away. David is apprehensive, maybe even frantic and he grabs David and puts him in the car to give him time to calm down and allow him to explain.
    Maybe the ex takes David somewhere to talk and maybe get a DNA test. Perhaps he keeps David too long (not knowing of his medical issues) and David has a medical emergency. The Ex freaks out when David becomes unconscious and drops him somewhere he will quickly be found and possibly helped. But before dropping him, he gets some tissue from David in hopes of getting DNA (small hole on David’s body)

    I know this is a wild ride but I had to share it bc it seems it’s always the craziest situations that end up being the truth. (And maybe my mind runs a little crazy bc I’m a crime junkie)

  • Nichole
    Nichole Cleveland, OH
    I loved this series. I just wanted to tell you that you did a really great job with this one. I would love to listen to more of these 3 and 4 part series. The breakdown and discussions are super interesting and I just am really impressed with the flow and layout of this one. Keep it up!

    I loved this series. I just wanted to tell you that you did a really great job with this one. I would love to listen to more of these 3 and 4 part series. The breakdown and discussions are super interesting and I just am really impressed with the flow and layout of this one. Keep it up!

  • Jennifer Bellino
    Jennifer Bellino Youngstown
    So weird to be reading all this about my family.. I wish it was solved

    So weird to be reading all this about my family.. I wish it was solved

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Hi Jennifer and sorry for your loss. I feel like this case can and will be solved. Hopefully soon. To answer your question, yes - we spoke with Carolyn who wrote the article and recommended that the listeners go and read it. Thank you for posting the link. Many have speculated that your brother may have been on a bike on the evening when he was leaving his friends house. I could find nothing to indicate that to be true rather found more that pointed to him walking that night. Can you confirm Brad was on foot that night?

    Hi Jennifer and sorry for your loss. I feel like this case can and will be solved. Hopefully soon. To answer your question, yes - we spoke with Carolyn who wrote the article and recommended that the listeners go and read it. Thank you for posting the link. Many have speculated that your brother may have been on a bike on the evening when he was leaving his friends house. I could find nothing to indicate that to be true rather found more that pointed to him walking that night. Can you confirm Brad was on foot that night?

  • Jennifer  Bellino
    Jennifer Bellino
    Unfortunately I can’t confirm if he was walking or riding.. however I have heard that he was riding his bike.. and brad would’ve been my cousin. I was born on 4/10/72.. and I wasn’t made aware of anything until a coworker asked me if I was related to brad. At that point I called my dad and he talked to me about all this.

    Unfortunately I can’t confirm if he was walking or riding.. however I have heard that he was riding his bike.. and brad would’ve been my cousin. I was born on 4/10/72.. and I wasn’t made aware of anything until a coworker asked me if I was related to brad. At that point I called my dad and he talked to me about all this.

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