The Law of Disappearing /// 455 /// 456

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  • jay layfield
    jay layfield No other name new hampshire
    Both of you two are deadest on. Do your job! It's simply simple;, when it comes to evidence. It's like human gospel. Do what you're paid to do with honor, if not, then let it slide. The suspect (being a cop) was eased around the system all to easily Ps, whomever offended here was straight up a bad boy. The kind of boy you'd want to reciprocate such behavior🤘😎🤘

    Both of you two are deadest on. Do your job! It's simply simple;, when it comes to evidence. It's like human gospel. Do what you're paid to do with honor, if not, then let it slide. The suspect (being a cop) was eased around the system all to easily

    Ps, whomever offended here was straight up a bad boy. The kind of boy you'd want to reciprocate such behavior🤘😎🤘

  • Charles
    Charles Chicago
    Major deja vu. Was this a repeat episode? I swear I heard this from TCG before.

    Major deja vu. Was this a repeat episode? I swear I heard this from TCG before.

  • Abby
    Abby IN
    That dispatch call is so hard to listen to. I think it's blatantly obvious he's lying his ass off. She very abruptly says day, time, and vehicle description. With that & that alone, he says no, I don't remember. If I'm really trying to remember something, I'm asking--what day did you say? *Pause to run through Monday events*... And what time was that? *Pause to run through events around that time* ... The fact that the one & only question he asks is 'what's going on' tells me he's not trying to recall any memories in the very least.

    That dispatch call is so hard to listen to. I think it's blatantly obvious he's lying his ass off. She very abruptly says day, time, and vehicle description. With that & that alone, he says no, I don't remember. If I'm really trying to remember something, I'm asking--what day did you say? *Pause to run through Monday events*... And what time was that? *Pause to run through events around that time* ... The fact that the one & only question he asks is 'what's going on' tells me he's not trying to recall any memories in the very least.

  • Lou
    Lou somewhere in Canada
    A Starlight Tour is when Canadian Cops take Aboriginal People (many of whom committed no crime) out of the urban area they were picked up and dropped off miles away. Most of those where left without coats in the winter and most of them froze to death. It was NOT because the cops were sick of dealing with them...it was in fact because the cops were racists and sick of seeing the Aboriginals at all. It is part of Canada's shameful history...pretty sure it still happens today to some degfree

    A Starlight Tour is when Canadian Cops take Aboriginal People (many of whom committed no crime) out of the urban area they were picked up and dropped off miles away. Most of those where left without coats in the winter and most of them froze to death. It was NOT because the cops were sick of dealing with them...it was in fact because the cops were racists and sick of seeing the Aboriginals at all. It is part of Canada's shameful history...pretty sure it still happens today to some degfree

  • Pam
    Pam Knoxville, TN
    I've followed this case for years. I believe he is responsible for both Terrance Williams and Felipe Santos disappearance. Felipe did not flee to Mexico because he would have left a wife and child behind. NO ONE has heard from him in America or Mexico. Not likely that a working father would not reach out to his family if he intended to leave the country. His brothers witnessed him leaving with Steve Caulkins. God bless Terrance's mom! She opened the whole thing up and sought answers. Something not mentioned in your podcast that I had heard in other podcasts is that he did call his mom from a pay phone BEFORE the party and said he was pretending to be waiting on a ride because a police officer was watching and following him. That was the last time anyone heard from him. By his own last words he said a cop was following him. I do believe Caulkins is a racist and the victims were perfect people to pick as soon as he asked about ID and such. It would harder to abduct someone who met the criteria of law abiding with witnesses present but with people scared of not having ID and such and other problems, it would be easy to coax them to go without a argument. Another thought on this is that he targeted them, once he had contact with them, to rape. Yep, young men get raped too. This may explain why he returned so quickly, he took them somewhere, subdued them, and then killed them later. Put this POS in jail! Murder can be prosecuted without a body! Do it! He lives in Iowa now! Arrest him!

    I've followed this case for years. I believe he is responsible for both Terrance Williams and Felipe Santos disappearance. Felipe did not flee to Mexico because he would have left a wife and child behind. NO ONE has heard from him in America or Mexico. Not likely that a working father would not reach out to his family if he intended to leave the country. His brothers witnessed him leaving with Steve Caulkins.

    God bless Terrance's mom! She opened the whole thing up and sought answers. Something not mentioned in your podcast that I had heard in other podcasts is that he did call his mom from a pay phone BEFORE the party and said he was pretending to be waiting on a ride because a police officer was watching and following him. That was the last time anyone heard from him. By his own last words he said a cop was following him.

    I do believe Caulkins is a racist and the victims were perfect people to pick as soon as he asked about ID and such. It would harder to abduct someone who met the criteria of law abiding with witnesses present but with people scared of not having ID and such and other problems, it would be easy to coax them to go without a argument.

    Another thought on this is that he targeted them, once he had contact with them, to rape. Yep, young men get raped too. This may explain why he returned so quickly, he took them somewhere, subdued them, and then killed them later.

    Put this POS in jail! Murder can be prosecuted without a body! Do it! He lives in Iowa now! Arrest him!

  • Jen
    Jen Denver
    Dear Mr Law Abiding Resident: Here’s the thing. No actual lawyer is going to speak like that. You are accusing them of defaming innocent citizens - while you defame them, innocent citizens. Ironic?

    Dear Mr Law Abiding Resident:

    Here’s the thing. No actual lawyer is going to speak like that. You are accusing them of defaming innocent citizens - while you defame them, innocent citizens. Ironic?

  • Laura
    Laura Michigan
    While researching, did you come across any mentions of young men missing in that area around the same time?

    While researching, did you come across any mentions of young men missing in that area around the same time?

  • chris
    chris FL
    That dispatcher. Not a nice lady. Officious. Unwilling to help until the mother had been “calling us all day.” And, then once she bothered one of the precious deputies during his precious time off, she bites the mother’s head off with that bit, “I’m not going through 900 deputies.” Nobody asked her to do so; it was a passive aggressive straw-man argument designed to shut Terrance’s mother down. This mindset, common in our culture, that we are so busy, so put-upon, so pressed, and so deserving of sacred “downtime” is far overblown. Do your job. Do it cheerfully. Disabuse yourself of the notion that you are that stretched. If the job is too stressful, find another; don’t use stress as an excuse to be an asshole. The cases are interesting, too, and I feel for the families. That dispatcher irked me a lot.

    That dispatcher. Not a nice lady. Officious. Unwilling to help until the mother had been “calling us all day.” And, then once she bothered one of the precious deputies during his precious time off, she bites the mother’s head off with that bit, “I’m not going through 900 deputies.” Nobody asked her to do so; it was a passive aggressive straw-man argument designed to shut Terrance’s mother down.

    This mindset, common in our culture, that we are so busy, so put-upon, so pressed, and so deserving of sacred “downtime” is far overblown. Do your job. Do it cheerfully. Disabuse yourself of the notion that you are that stretched. If the job is too stressful, find another; don’t use stress as an excuse to be an asshole.

    The cases are interesting, too, and I feel for the families. That dispatcher irked me a lot.

  • Cookie
    Cookie Kansas
    In 40 minutes, I’m not sure why both of you think the officer is doing off things. He has an illegal alien and doesn’t want the PC problems.; letting him go a mile away is reasonable, secretly hoping the friends take the car back home is reasonable, and no he wouldn't just drive him to jail if he wanted to the avoid other things. It’s a pain, so give him a break, and go find “badder” guys. Usually I’m tracking with you bit both of yous guys seems to be leading the listeners, but I also need to listen to the rest of the podcast.

    In 40 minutes, I’m not sure why both of you think the officer is doing off things. He has an illegal alien and doesn’t want the PC problems.; letting him go a mile away is reasonable, secretly hoping the friends take the car back home is reasonable, and no he wouldn't just drive him to jail if he wanted to the avoid other things.

    It’s a pain, so give him a break, and go find “badder” guys. Usually I’m tracking with you bit both of yous guys seems to be leading the listeners, but I also need to listen to the rest of the podcast.

  • Dana
    Dana Minnesota
    Great work on a very intruiging case. One thing that keeps rattling around in my head that I thought you guys might jump on is the call to Calkins home from dispatch. At the very begining his wife makes the comment that he is "a little nutty but he is here". I don't necessarily think this infers any kind of mental illness but maybe he is panicking about something he hasn't told her about.

    Great work on a very intruiging case. One thing that keeps rattling around in my head that I thought you guys might jump on is the call to Calkins home from dispatch. At the very begining his wife makes the comment that he is "a little nutty but he is here".

    I don't necessarily think this infers any kind of mental illness but maybe he is panicking about something he hasn't told her about.

  • Jenn
    Jenn Northern Virginia
    @charles @TCG - I felt like you mentioned the cop and the cemetery disappearance in another episode as an aside as well! Loved your coverage of this as always! Love you both - Keep up the good work! Xoxo - Jenn

    @charles @TCG - I felt like you mentioned the cop and the cemetery disappearance in another episode as an aside as well! Loved your coverage of this as always! Love you both - Keep up the good work!
    Xoxo - Jenn

  • Mark
    Mark UK
    I can only speak for myself, and may he wrong if course, but my thoughts are: Racist, douche canoe, cop kills innocent BAME victims.....

    I can only speak for myself, and may he wrong if course, but my thoughts are:

    Racist, douche canoe, cop kills innocent BAME victims.....

  • Billy
    Billy VA
    I get it can be frustrating to have a officer with a attitude and just do your job should be enough. I think they are just frustrated with people doing stupid stuff and getting in trouble, just like all the nurses and doctors complaining about people not wearing masks, in your words they should just shut up and do their job. Also in Fairfax county of Virginia if you get pulled over driving with no license or on a suspended the cops let you call someone and have them pick up your car and they leave you alone so technically you can just drive it yourself like I have on three different occasions. So the cop letting the person go just for driving with no license is not unheard of where I’m from.

    I get it can be frustrating to have a officer with a attitude and just do your job should be enough. I think they are just frustrated with people doing stupid stuff and getting in trouble, just like all the nurses and doctors complaining about people not wearing masks, in your words they should just shut up and do their job. Also in Fairfax county of Virginia if you get pulled over driving with no license or on a suspended the cops let you call someone and have them pick up your car and they leave you alone so technically you can just drive it yourself like I have on three different occasions. So the cop letting the person go just for driving with no license is not unheard of where I’m from.

  • Maye
    Maye Vermont
    Maybe the documents were in the glove compartment.

    Maybe the documents were in the glove compartment.

  • Kristina
    Kristina Hawaii
    Is there any more information about Terrance’s car keys? The cemetery witnesses say they saw him with the keys and then tossed them away. Did anyone find the keys tossed in the yard? Caulkins says he found them in the car , which is possible, but if they were found out of the car, what why would he have tossed them? He admits seeing them and they were in the car. So why wilder he leave them there or give to tower?! 🤔 What was the time period from the call with the dispatcher to the time he wrote his report? Seems awfully strange for him not to recall ANYTHING about the day but then be so specific on his reports. Or even vice versa if his report was written before the call, how could you experience this day, document all of it, then not remember anything on the phone. Ugh. It’s so frustrating. Clearly this encounter and events with the car took up a few hours of your shift...but can’t remember huh? I hate people.

    Is there any more information about Terrance’s car keys?
    The cemetery witnesses say they saw him with the keys and then tossed them away.
    Did anyone find the keys tossed in the yard?
    Caulkins says he found them in the car , which is possible, but if they were found out of the car, what why would he have tossed them? He admits seeing them and they were in the car. So why wilder he leave them there or give to tower?! 🤔

    What was the time period from the call with the dispatcher to the time he wrote his report? Seems awfully strange for him not to recall ANYTHING about the day but then be so specific on his reports.
    Or even vice versa if his report was written before the call, how could you experience this day, document all of it, then not remember anything on the phone.
    Ugh. It’s so frustrating. Clearly this encounter and events with the car took up a few hours of your shift...but can’t remember huh? I hate people.

  • AT
    AT NENC
    I’m a bit late to the forum here, but with regards to other listeners’ comments regarding missing persons in Collier County: I just read in Wired mag about the internet mystery surrounding an AT hiker dubbed “Mostly Harmless” that went off the grid in NY in 2017 and was found dead in Collier County FL (at or near the AT) weighing only 83lbs. Genetics and online sluething ended up filling in the missing bits (too much for me to tell here!). I don’t think this man is connected to Caulkin or anything but the Mostly Harmless man mystery perked my ears up due to the fact that the case fell to Collier County and the guy went off the grid in 2017. Anyway if interested the wired article is “The Unsettling Truth About the ‘Mostly Harmless’ Hiker.” Accessed via apple news. Apologies to everyone who’s already familiar with the case! I agree with comments regarding the somewhat callous and possibly racist (couldn’t understand much of some of the calls) nature of the phone calls between members of the department. I know that LE develop callouses to all the mess they have to see and deal with but c’mon, show some old fashioned charity, it might do you good as well as those you come into contact with. At the least they should remember that their calls are being recorded! Thank you TCG, I hope things will come to light in the lifetime of the Williams and Santos families. 4 kids growing up without their dad!

    I’m a bit late to the forum here, but with regards to other listeners’ comments regarding missing persons in Collier County: I just read in Wired mag about the internet mystery surrounding an AT hiker dubbed “Mostly Harmless” that went off the grid in NY in 2017 and was found dead in Collier County FL (at or near the AT) weighing only 83lbs. Genetics and online sluething ended up filling in the missing bits (too much for me to tell here!). I don’t think this man is connected to Caulkin or anything but the Mostly Harmless man mystery perked my ears up due to the fact that the case fell to Collier County and the guy went off the grid in 2017. Anyway if interested the wired article is “The Unsettling Truth About the ‘Mostly Harmless’ Hiker.” Accessed via apple news. Apologies to everyone who’s already familiar with the case!
    I agree with comments regarding the somewhat callous and possibly racist (couldn’t understand much of some of the calls) nature of the phone calls between members of the department. I know that LE develop callouses to all the mess they have to see and deal with but c’mon, show some old fashioned charity, it might do you good as well as those you come into contact with. At the least they should remember that their calls are being recorded!
    Thank you TCG, I hope things will come to light in the lifetime of the Williams and Santos families. 4 kids growing up without their dad!

  • Tiffanie
    Tiffanie Hamilton, GA
    When dispatcher calls Calkins home, his wife/GF (who ever answered) states that yes and no he's home but muddy. Not sure if anyone caught that comment but that really jumped out at me.

    When dispatcher calls Calkins home, his wife/GF (who ever answered) states that yes and no he's home but muddy. Not sure if anyone caught that comment but that really jumped out at me.

  • Tony
    Tony Cape Cod
    One possibility (I'd say probability) that you overlook in the Williams case is that the officer only needed enough time to park a body somewhere during the pivotal period between driving off with Williams and then returning to the vehicle, to have it towed. By parking the body somewhere, he doesn't take much time, and affords himself the opportunity to return after darkness falls and to use his personal vehicle for putting the body someplace where it will be hidden for the long term.

    One possibility (I'd say probability) that you overlook in the Williams case is that the officer only needed enough time to park a body somewhere during the pivotal period between driving off with Williams and then returning to the vehicle, to have it towed. By parking the body somewhere, he doesn't take much time, and affords himself the opportunity to return after darkness falls and to use his personal vehicle for putting the body someplace where it will be hidden for the long term.

  • Jay B
    Jay B NC
    I liked the show.... and it does seem like Calkins was hiding something. Whether it's murder or not is all speculation, but he's smart enough to say "I don't remember" (which indeed seems unlikely). On the other hand.... you guys seem to play fast and loose with uninsured, unlicensed illegals. I despised people who do this! They cause so much chaos and leave a trail of wrecked and ruined lives and property behind them, far disproportionate to their numbers. I lived in NM for many years and these guys are the a$$clowns. I'm not an apologist for Calkins, but you guys hammered on "why did they leave the 2 other illegals in the vehicle". Well.... what else could he have done? Had the vehicle towed and leave the other two on the curb? He couldn't arrest them (since we're all supposed to be good with people in our country illegally). What in your opinion, should have happened? I'm just not sure what else could have been done with the other two.

    I liked the show.... and it does seem like Calkins was hiding something. Whether it's murder or not is all speculation, but he's smart enough to say "I don't remember" (which indeed seems unlikely).

    On the other hand.... you guys seem to play fast and loose with uninsured, unlicensed illegals. I despised people who do this! They cause so much chaos and leave a trail of wrecked and ruined lives and property behind them, far disproportionate to their numbers. I lived in NM for many years and these guys are the a$$clowns.

    I'm not an apologist for Calkins, but you guys hammered on "why did they leave the 2 other illegals in the vehicle". Well.... what else could he have done? Had the vehicle towed and leave the other two on the curb? He couldn't arrest them (since we're all supposed to be good with people in our country illegally). What in your opinion, should have happened? I'm just not sure what else could have been done with the other two.

  • Nicole
    Nicole Cleveland
    Is law-abiding citizen okay? That tirade was a something else. I had the same exact gut feeling as MG as I listened - sexual coercion and rape, maybe as a “I’ll let you off the hook this time, if...” despicable situation. Thanks for covering this case guys!

    Is law-abiding citizen okay? That tirade was a something else.

    I had the same exact gut feeling as MG as I listened - sexual coercion and rape, maybe as a “I’ll let you off the hook this time, if...” despicable situation.
    Thanks for covering this case guys!

  • Candice K
    Candice K Oklahoma
    I have heard this case before and now listening again a thought popped in my head after hearing about the 6 hour loss of time with Terrence.. WHAT IF the guy the cop pulled over was not Terrence.. but a guy lying saying it was him, bc he did something to him and was dumping the car. Just a thought

    I have heard this case before and now listening again a thought popped in my head after hearing about the 6 hour loss of time with Terrence.. WHAT IF the guy the cop pulled over was not Terrence.. but a guy lying saying it was him, bc he did something to him and was dumping the car. Just a thought

  • Candice K
    Candice K Oklahoma
    Hey law abiding citizen, don't be a boner-face, you douche canoe! 🤣 Love you Captain

    Hey law abiding citizen, don't be a boner-face, you douche canoe! 🤣

    Love you Captain

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