The Law of Disappearing /// 455 /// 456

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  • jay layfield
    jay layfield No other name new hampshire
    Both of you two are deadest on. Do your job! It's simply simple;, when it comes to evidence. It's like human gospel. Do what you're paid to do with honor, if not, then let it slide. The suspect (being a cop) was eased around the system all to easily Ps, whomever offended here was straight up a bad boy. The kind of boy you'd want to reciprocate such behavior🤘😎🤘

    Both of you two are deadest on. Do your job! It's simply simple;, when it comes to evidence. It's like human gospel. Do what you're paid to do with honor, if not, then let it slide. The suspect (being a cop) was eased around the system all to easily

    Ps, whomever offended here was straight up a bad boy. The kind of boy you'd want to reciprocate such behavior🤘😎🤘

  • Megan
    Megan CA, USA
    This is quite frightening and super sketchy..... It has eerily similar overtones to the Starlight tours in Saskatchewan.

    This is quite frightening and super sketchy..... It has eerily similar overtones to the Starlight tours in Saskatchewan.

  • Charles
    Charles Chicago
    Major deja vu. Was this a repeat episode? I swear I heard this from TCG before.

    Major deja vu. Was this a repeat episode? I swear I heard this from TCG before.

  • Abby
    Abby IN
    That dispatch call is so hard to listen to. I think it's blatantly obvious he's lying his ass off. She very abruptly says day, time, and vehicle description. With that & that alone, he says no, I don't remember. If I'm really trying to remember something, I'm asking--what day did you say? *Pause to run through Monday events*... And what time was that? *Pause to run through events around that time* ... The fact that the one & only question he asks is 'what's going on' tells me he's not trying to recall any memories in the very least.

    That dispatch call is so hard to listen to. I think it's blatantly obvious he's lying his ass off. She very abruptly says day, time, and vehicle description. With that & that alone, he says no, I don't remember. If I'm really trying to remember something, I'm asking--what day did you say? *Pause to run through Monday events*... And what time was that? *Pause to run through events around that time* ... The fact that the one & only question he asks is 'what's going on' tells me he's not trying to recall any memories in the very least.

  • Lou
    Lou somewhere in Canada
    A Starlight Tour is when Canadian Cops take Aboriginal People (many of whom committed no crime) out of the urban area they were picked up and dropped off miles away. Most of those where left without coats in the winter and most of them froze to death. It was NOT because the cops were sick of dealing with them...it was in fact because the cops were racists and sick of seeing the Aboriginals at all. It is part of Canada's shameful history...pretty sure it still happens today to some degfree

    A Starlight Tour is when Canadian Cops take Aboriginal People (many of whom committed no crime) out of the urban area they were picked up and dropped off miles away. Most of those where left without coats in the winter and most of them froze to death. It was NOT because the cops were sick of dealing with them...it was in fact because the cops were racists and sick of seeing the Aboriginals at all. It is part of Canada's shameful history...pretty sure it still happens today to some degfree

  • Pat Riley
    Pat Riley Ohio
    Could he have been working as a hit man?

    Could he have been working as a hit man?

  • Pam
    Pam Knoxville, TN
    I've followed this case for years. I believe he is responsible for both Terrance Williams and Felipe Santos disappearance. Felipe did not flee to Mexico because he would have left a wife and child behind. NO ONE has heard from him in America or Mexico. Not likely that a working father would not reach out to his family if he intended to leave the country. His brothers witnessed him leaving with Steve Caulkins. God bless Terrance's mom! She opened the whole thing up and sought answers. Something not mentioned in your podcast that I had heard in other podcasts is that he did call his mom from a pay phone BEFORE the party and said he was pretending to be waiting on a ride because a police officer was watching and following him. That was the last time anyone heard from him. By his own last words he said a cop was following him. I do believe Caulkins is a racist and the victims were perfect people to pick as soon as he asked about ID and such. It would harder to abduct someone who met the criteria of law abiding with witnesses present but with people scared of not having ID and such and other problems, it would be easy to coax them to go without a argument. Another thought on this is that he targeted them, once he had contact with them, to rape. Yep, young men get raped too. This may explain why he returned so quickly, he took them somewhere, subdued them, and then killed them later. Put this POS in jail! Murder can be prosecuted without a body! Do it! He lives in Iowa now! Arrest him!

    I've followed this case for years. I believe he is responsible for both Terrance Williams and Felipe Santos disappearance. Felipe did not flee to Mexico because he would have left a wife and child behind. NO ONE has heard from him in America or Mexico. Not likely that a working father would not reach out to his family if he intended to leave the country. His brothers witnessed him leaving with Steve Caulkins.

    God bless Terrance's mom! She opened the whole thing up and sought answers. Something not mentioned in your podcast that I had heard in other podcasts is that he did call his mom from a pay phone BEFORE the party and said he was pretending to be waiting on a ride because a police officer was watching and following him. That was the last time anyone heard from him. By his own last words he said a cop was following him.

    I do believe Caulkins is a racist and the victims were perfect people to pick as soon as he asked about ID and such. It would harder to abduct someone who met the criteria of law abiding with witnesses present but with people scared of not having ID and such and other problems, it would be easy to coax them to go without a argument.

    Another thought on this is that he targeted them, once he had contact with them, to rape. Yep, young men get raped too. This may explain why he returned so quickly, he took them somewhere, subdued them, and then killed them later.

    Put this POS in jail! Murder can be prosecuted without a body! Do it! He lives in Iowa now! Arrest him!

  • Law-Abiding Resident
    Law-Abiding Resident Los Angeles
    Your show has become a joke. Your “case” against the officer is outrageous and you should be ashamed of yourselves for speculating about your “evidence” that this officer did ANYTHING to these jokers! Both of whom are most assuredly alive and well and LTFAO — now, at you. So Al Sharpton was involved, really? Might want to research the accuracy of his history of making specific accusations against law enforcement individuals? Your take on both “cases” (traffic violation situations) is so disconnected from the real world. Sorry, don’t mean to be rude, but it’s not worth my time (or likely to be effective) to try to educate you on the realities that are at the CORE of the two “incidents” you speculate about for two episodes: (1) Unlicensed Drivers: Unlicensed either because they are not legally permitted to be licensed OR because we have, on the honor system, dealt with their choice to DUI by “revoking” their license; and (2) Uninsured Drivers: Uninsured either because they are not legally permitted to drive OR because (again, honor system) they have chosen not to spend their cash on something that seems so ... optional The result of such widespread lawlessness seems lost on you. You might visit CA to understand your future. The problem is the unspoken “law” that cannot be addressed honestly. Without irony, you speak of what a great guy that “employer” was, you know, the guy who fearlessly called THE POLICE trying to bail out his cheap, illegal under-the-table labor with NO CONCERN he’s operating his business illegally? Great guy. But he’s right to have no worries about calling the authorities. You’ve just lost the plot. As you reported, part of the money this upstanding employer pays the 3 illegal worker brothers becomes remittances to Mexico. But what are remittances to Mexico, you should wonder. Are they perhaps literally that country’s ad hoc system to support their own poor/elderly/disabled/etc. citizens, as Mexico’s leaders choose not to fund such a system themselves? Good question! That might be a start to unwinding the endless, unjustifiable law-bending and exceptions to rules that permeate the “stories” you are attempting to cover, yet you are oblivious to them. Just for laughs, why don’t you “investigate” what portion of Mexico’s GDP is “US remittances”? Unless you understand the “unspoken” but well-understood pressure put on police officers to (1) ease off on the citations and towings, when it comes to the hard-working “undocumented” (that started 25 years ago) ... Which (2) quickly morphs into pressure to look away, ease off, take 1/2 measures, and really use all manner of creative BS to benefit ALL motorists deemed worthy of sympathy and thus leniency, those deemed deserving because of financial or political circumstances, or to adjust historical injustice, etc. Again, come to Los Angeles! Where 30% of drivers pay exorbitant, jaw-dropping bills to “have” legal insurance as required, and yet in all accidents are “responsible” (because they HAVE insurance) Plus these 30% pay out-of-pocket to repair THEIR auto (at a minimum) as “using” insurance doubles the premium. They buy insurance to comply with the law and to have documents to show police — nothing to do with hedging costs of future auto repairs. The remaining 70% ... don’t. This “situation” is understood by drivers and officers, and has been for decades (because see above, different folks have different rights and responsibilities.) This is obviously necessary for well-known and accepted “systems” to work, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT. (Which you don’t, evidently, unless it happens to you?) But never mind, you’re hot on the trail of a Spontaneous Serial (but now in remission?) Disappear-er and Abuser Cop!! THAT’S DEFINITELY what’s going on here! Terrific you are SO impressed with The Department. The Department that made the agonizing, really, really tough decision to ... throw a 17-year veteran under the bus (because Al Sharpton) AND save their own jobs! And satisfy the community, etc. Yeah, just like you said, we need MORE Departments with such bravery — and happily for you (I guess) I’ve no doubt that is EXACTLY what we will get, good and hard, if you will BTW: Any clue who TF would ever aspire to be a police officer these days? All your pals are encouraging THEIR kids to join the force, huh? Actually I’ve heard applications are way down and, more concerning, so are average qualifications and fitness Not surprising, though. Those likely to be targeted, such as the officer you’ve made 2 episodes out of, are getting wise. Good, you say? Until you call 911 and get voicemail. These type of attack podcasts are outrageous and are appearing more and more. Unfortunately this comment will do nothing. None of it will stop until one of you gets sued. You’ve been safe in the past only because you’ve been slinging facts and opinions about convicted killers. This move into trash-talking and defaming innocent civilians is super dangerous, in addition to being unfair and an abuse of your power and platform. As a lawyer, I advise you to consult a lawyer about your liability. Because — haha — small chance the inevitable slander/libel/defamation suit you’ll face will be overlooked (like unlicensed and uninsured driving) for you guys — haha ... 🤔 ha 🤔

    Your show has become a joke.

    Your “case” against the officer is outrageous and you should be ashamed of yourselves for speculating about your “evidence”
    that this officer did ANYTHING to these jokers!

    Both of whom are most assuredly alive and well and LTFAO — now, at you.

    So Al Sharpton was involved, really? Might want to research the accuracy of his history of making specific accusations against law enforcement individuals?

    Your take on both “cases” (traffic violation situations) is so disconnected from the
    real world. Sorry, don’t mean to be rude,
    but it’s not worth my time (or likely to be effective) to try to educate you on the realities that are at the CORE of the
    two “incidents” you speculate about for two episodes:

    (1) Unlicensed Drivers: Unlicensed either because they are not legally permitted to be licensed OR
    because we have, on the honor system, dealt with their choice to DUI by “revoking” their license; and

    (2) Uninsured Drivers: Uninsured either because they are not legally permitted to drive OR because (again, honor system)
    they have chosen not to spend their cash on something that seems so ... optional

    The result of such widespread lawlessness seems lost on you.
    You might visit CA to understand your future.

    The problem is the unspoken “law” that cannot be addressed honestly.

    Without irony, you speak of what a great guy that “employer” was, you know,
    the guy who fearlessly called THE POLICE trying to bail out his cheap, illegal under-the-table labor with NO CONCERN he’s operating his business illegally? Great guy.

    But he’s right to have no worries about calling the authorities. You’ve just lost the plot.

    As you reported, part of the money this upstanding employer pays the 3 illegal worker brothers becomes remittances to Mexico.

    But what are remittances to Mexico, you should wonder. Are they perhaps literally that country’s ad hoc system to support their own poor/elderly/disabled/etc. citizens,
    as Mexico’s leaders choose not to fund such a system themselves?

    Good question!
    That might be a start to unwinding the endless, unjustifiable law-bending and
    exceptions to rules that permeate the “stories” you are attempting to cover, yet you are oblivious to them.

    Just for laughs, why don’t you “investigate” what portion of Mexico’s GDP is “US remittances”?

    Unless you understand the “unspoken” but
    well-understood pressure put on police officers to (1) ease off on the citations and towings,
    when it comes to the hard-working “undocumented” (that started 25 years ago) ...

    Which (2) quickly morphs into pressure
    to look away, ease off, take 1/2 measures,
    and really use all manner of creative BS
    to benefit
    ALL motorists deemed worthy of sympathy and thus leniency, those deemed deserving
    because of financial or political circumstances, or to adjust historical injustice, etc.

    Again, come to Los Angeles!
    Where 30% of drivers pay exorbitant,
    jaw-dropping bills to “have” legal insurance as required, and yet in all accidents are “responsible” (because they HAVE insurance)

    Plus these 30% pay out-of-pocket to repair THEIR auto (at a minimum) as “using” insurance doubles the premium. They buy insurance to comply with the law and to have documents to show police — nothing to do with hedging costs of future auto repairs.

    The remaining 70% ... don’t.
    This “situation” is understood by drivers and officers, and has been for decades (because see above, different folks have different rights and responsibilities.)

    This is obviously necessary for well-known and accepted “systems” to work,
    IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT.
    (Which you don’t, evidently, unless it happens to you?)

    But never mind, you’re hot on the trail of
    a Spontaneous Serial (but now in remission?) Disappear-er and Abuser Cop!!
    THAT’S DEFINITELY what’s going on here!

    Terrific you are SO impressed with The Department. The Department that made the agonizing, really, really tough decision to ...
    throw a 17-year veteran under the bus
    (because Al Sharpton)
    AND
    save their own jobs!
    And satisfy the community, etc.

    Yeah, just like you said,
    we need MORE Departments with such bravery — and happily for you (I guess) I’ve no doubt that is EXACTLY what we will get, good and hard, if you will

    BTW: Any clue who TF would ever aspire
    to be a police officer these days?
    All your pals are encouraging THEIR kids
    to join the force, huh?

    Actually I’ve heard applications are way down and, more concerning, so are
    average qualifications and fitness

    Not surprising, though.
    Those likely to be targeted, such as the officer you’ve made 2 episodes out of, are getting wise.

    Good, you say?
    Until you call 911 and get voicemail.

    These type of attack podcasts are outrageous and are appearing more and more.

    Unfortunately this comment will do nothing.

    None of it will stop until one of you gets sued.

    You’ve been safe in the past only because you’ve been slinging facts and opinions about convicted killers.

    This move into trash-talking and defaming innocent civilians is super dangerous,
    in addition to being unfair and an abuse of your power and platform.

    As a lawyer, I advise you to consult a lawyer about your liability.

    Because — haha — small chance the inevitable slander/libel/defamation suit
    you’ll face will be overlooked
    (like unlicensed and uninsured driving)
    for you guys — haha ...
    🤔 ha

    🤔

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Charles - no we have not covered this one before. It has been covered elsewhere. @ Abby - you are absolutely right and make a lot of sense. And S. Calkins did none of that. @ Lou - agreed 100% and we could have stayed on that topic longer and went into depth with it more as you did but the conversation went elsewhere. @ Pat - that's interesting because anyone would want to try to make some sense of this - however this conclusion is highly unlikely seeing how his encounter with Santos was completely random.

    @ Charles - no we have not covered this one before. It has been covered elsewhere.

    @ Abby - you are absolutely right and make a lot of sense. And S. Calkins did none of that.

    @ Lou - agreed 100% and we could have stayed on that topic longer and went into depth with it more as you did but the conversation went elsewhere.

    @ Pat - that's interesting because anyone would want to try to make some sense of this - however this conclusion is highly unlikely seeing how his encounter with Santos was completely random.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Law Abiding Resident Are you sure this is not Steve Calkins - hiding far away from his misdeeds in Cedar Rapids, Iowa? No one at TCG is pushing for undocumented workers, unlicensed drivers or uninsured drivers. I in fact absolutely despise uninsured drivers as I KNOW this has led to many persons being horribly injured and left with no one to pay their HUGE medical bills for an accident that was not their fault. Usually I play nice here but your blog post reads like the RANT of a lunatic. You seem to lack the ability to understand that it was the Collier County Sheriff's Department that fired S. Calkins because of his involvement in these two incidents. It was the Collier County Sheriff's Department that publicly named S. Calkins as a person of interest because of his involvement in these two incidents. Had this Law Enforcement Agency not taken these actions we would have not covered this case. Secondly - clearly you our judging us off of these two episodes. We stand by the police but we have the ability to understand that with any line of work there are good people and bad people and ANYONE who would blindly support a bad/evil/racist/ person in any line of work - is a moron. Regardless if you are or are not a licensed practicing attorney - you're giving lawyers a bad name. Calkins was fired 8 years before Sharpton got involved. Get your shit right if you are going to go on the attack. Please spend some time working on you - you'll thank me later. Cheers Nic

    @ Law Abiding Resident
    Are you sure this is not Steve Calkins - hiding far away from his misdeeds in Cedar Rapids, Iowa?
    No one at TCG is pushing for undocumented workers, unlicensed drivers or uninsured drivers. I in fact absolutely despise uninsured drivers as I KNOW this has led to many persons being horribly injured and left with no one to pay their HUGE medical bills for an accident that was not their fault.
    Usually I play nice here but your blog post reads like the RANT of a lunatic. You seem to lack the ability to understand that it was the Collier County Sheriff's Department that fired S. Calkins because of his involvement in these two incidents. It was the Collier County Sheriff's Department that publicly named S. Calkins as a person of interest because of his involvement in these two incidents. Had this Law Enforcement Agency not taken these actions we would have not covered this case.
    Secondly - clearly you our judging us off of these two episodes. We stand by the police but we have the ability to understand that with any line of work there are good people and bad people and ANYONE who would blindly support a bad/evil/racist/ person in any line of work - is a moron.
    Regardless if you are or are not a licensed practicing attorney - you're giving lawyers a bad name. Calkins was fired 8 years before Sharpton got involved. Get your shit right if you are going to go on the attack.
    Please spend some time working on you - you'll thank me later. Cheers Nic

  • Jen
    Jen Denver
    Dear Mr Law Abiding Resident: Here’s the thing. No actual lawyer is going to speak like that. You are accusing them of defaming innocent citizens - while you defame them, innocent citizens. Ironic?

    Dear Mr Law Abiding Resident:

    Here’s the thing. No actual lawyer is going to speak like that. You are accusing them of defaming innocent citizens - while you defame them, innocent citizens. Ironic?

  • Laura
    Laura Michigan
    While researching, did you come across any mentions of young men missing in that area around the same time?

    While researching, did you come across any mentions of young men missing in that area around the same time?

  • chris
    chris FL
    That dispatcher. Not a nice lady. Officious. Unwilling to help until the mother had been “calling us all day.” And, then once she bothered one of the precious deputies during his precious time off, she bites the mother’s head off with that bit, “I’m not going through 900 deputies.” Nobody asked her to do so; it was a passive aggressive straw-man argument designed to shut Terrance’s mother down. This mindset, common in our culture, that we are so busy, so put-upon, so pressed, and so deserving of sacred “downtime” is far overblown. Do your job. Do it cheerfully. Disabuse yourself of the notion that you are that stretched. If the job is too stressful, find another; don’t use stress as an excuse to be an asshole. The cases are interesting, too, and I feel for the families. That dispatcher irked me a lot.

    That dispatcher. Not a nice lady. Officious. Unwilling to help until the mother had been “calling us all day.” And, then once she bothered one of the precious deputies during his precious time off, she bites the mother’s head off with that bit, “I’m not going through 900 deputies.” Nobody asked her to do so; it was a passive aggressive straw-man argument designed to shut Terrance’s mother down.

    This mindset, common in our culture, that we are so busy, so put-upon, so pressed, and so deserving of sacred “downtime” is far overblown. Do your job. Do it cheerfully. Disabuse yourself of the notion that you are that stretched. If the job is too stressful, find another; don’t use stress as an excuse to be an asshole.

    The cases are interesting, too, and I feel for the families. That dispatcher irked me a lot.

  • Colorado Mom
    Colorado Mom Colorado
    I’m glad you covered theses cases. Even if the possible victims were coming crimes we don’t need vigilante cops out killing people or taking justice into their own hands. Human lives are priceless.

    I’m glad you covered theses cases. Even if the possible victims were coming crimes we don’t need vigilante cops out killing people or taking justice into their own hands. Human lives are priceless.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Laura - that is an excellent question. The short answer is I did not. The Long answer is Florida overall their LE agencies do an above average job with these missing cases. The state has worked to put together some additional resourcing for the states missing especially in the way of children and the elderly. There is the Florida Missing Endangered Persons Information Clearing House and they are doing great work. The area in question too is a pretty nice and safe area. Everywhere has strange crime or random violence but in this area especially in day light hours I would not expect two healthy young men to go missing. The first investigator looking into the two events and Calkins account of each even summed it up the very best - "This doesn't make sense." What also does not make sense and is totally unrelated to this case. Florida has an alarmingly high number of missing cases from 2017- particularly October. - Nic

    @ Laura - that is an excellent question. The short answer is I did not. The Long answer is Florida overall their LE agencies do an above average job with these missing cases. The state has worked to put together some additional resourcing for the states missing especially in the way of children and the elderly. There is the Florida Missing Endangered Persons Information Clearing House and they are doing great work. The area in question too is a pretty nice and safe area. Everywhere has strange crime or random violence but in this area especially in day light hours I would not expect two healthy young men to go missing. The first investigator looking into the two events and Calkins account of each even summed it up the very best - "This doesn't make sense."
    What also does not make sense and is totally unrelated to this case. Florida has an alarmingly high number of missing cases from 2017- particularly October.
    - Nic

  • Cookie
    Cookie Kansas
    In 40 minutes, I’m not sure why both of you think the officer is doing off things. He has an illegal alien and doesn’t want the PC problems.; letting him go a mile away is reasonable, secretly hoping the friends take the car back home is reasonable, and no he wouldn't just drive him to jail if he wanted to the avoid other things. It’s a pain, so give him a break, and go find “badder” guys. Usually I’m tracking with you bit both of yous guys seems to be leading the listeners, but I also need to listen to the rest of the podcast.

    In 40 minutes, I’m not sure why both of you think the officer is doing off things. He has an illegal alien and doesn’t want the PC problems.; letting him go a mile away is reasonable, secretly hoping the friends take the car back home is reasonable, and no he wouldn't just drive him to jail if he wanted to the avoid other things.

    It’s a pain, so give him a break, and go find “badder” guys. Usually I’m tracking with you bit both of yous guys seems to be leading the listeners, but I also need to listen to the rest of the podcast.

  • Dana
    Dana Minnesota
    Great work on a very intruiging case. One thing that keeps rattling around in my head that I thought you guys might jump on is the call to Calkins home from dispatch. At the very begining his wife makes the comment that he is "a little nutty but he is here". I don't necessarily think this infers any kind of mental illness but maybe he is panicking about something he hasn't told her about.

    Great work on a very intruiging case. One thing that keeps rattling around in my head that I thought you guys might jump on is the call to Calkins home from dispatch. At the very begining his wife makes the comment that he is "a little nutty but he is here".

    I don't necessarily think this infers any kind of mental illness but maybe he is panicking about something he hasn't told her about.

  • Jenn
    Jenn Northern Virginia
    @charles @TCG - I felt like you mentioned the cop and the cemetery disappearance in another episode as an aside as well! Loved your coverage of this as always! Love you both - Keep up the good work! Xoxo - Jenn

    @charles @TCG - I felt like you mentioned the cop and the cemetery disappearance in another episode as an aside as well! Loved your coverage of this as always! Love you both - Keep up the good work!
    Xoxo - Jenn

  • Mark
    Mark UK
    I can only speak for myself, and may he wrong if course, but my thoughts are: Racist, douche canoe, cop kills innocent BAME victims.....

    I can only speak for myself, and may he wrong if course, but my thoughts are:

    Racist, douche canoe, cop kills innocent BAME victims.....

  • Billy
    Billy VA
    I get it can be frustrating to have a officer with a attitude and just do your job should be enough. I think they are just frustrated with people doing stupid stuff and getting in trouble, just like all the nurses and doctors complaining about people not wearing masks, in your words they should just shut up and do their job. Also in Fairfax county of Virginia if you get pulled over driving with no license or on a suspended the cops let you call someone and have them pick up your car and they leave you alone so technically you can just drive it yourself like I have on three different occasions. So the cop letting the person go just for driving with no license is not unheard of where I’m from.

    I get it can be frustrating to have a officer with a attitude and just do your job should be enough. I think they are just frustrated with people doing stupid stuff and getting in trouble, just like all the nurses and doctors complaining about people not wearing masks, in your words they should just shut up and do their job. Also in Fairfax county of Virginia if you get pulled over driving with no license or on a suspended the cops let you call someone and have them pick up your car and they leave you alone so technically you can just drive it yourself like I have on three different occasions. So the cop letting the person go just for driving with no license is not unheard of where I’m from.

  • Christy
    Christy Grand Rapids, MI
    Been a long time listener and never reached out (started listening when I was pregnant with my now 4.5 year old son) and just wanted to say you guys are by far my favorite true crime podcast. Started listening when we were stationed in TX then we were stationed back to where I grew up in MI and this summer we’re actually being stationed in OH. Not far from Shaker Heights so my fan girl will definitely have to check that area out. Ps, absolutely loved those episodes. Well done on this case (as usual). Thanks for what you guys do.

    Been a long time listener and never reached out (started listening when I was pregnant with my now 4.5 year old son) and just wanted to say you guys are by far my favorite true crime podcast. Started listening when we were stationed in TX then we were stationed back to where I grew up in MI and this summer we’re actually being stationed in OH. Not far from Shaker Heights so my fan girl will definitely have to check that area out. Ps, absolutely loved those episodes. Well done on this case (as usual). Thanks for what you guys do.

  • Maye
    Maye Vermont
    Maybe the documents were in the glove compartment.

    Maybe the documents were in the glove compartment.

  • Maira
    Maira Minnesota
    I am amazed that I’ve never heard of these cases! Thank you for covering it! I’m sure you know this too but I wish it had been included when you mentioned the Starlight tours in Canada- they are mostly racially motivated against First Nations people- adding to and continuing the horrible racist history in Canada. People are often picked up for no crime at all and left to freeze to death. Also people with cognitive disabilities and mental health diagnosis have been targeted. MFM covered these cases in episode 251!

    I am amazed that I’ve never heard of these cases! Thank you for covering it! I’m sure you know this too but I wish it had been included when you mentioned the Starlight tours in Canada- they are mostly racially motivated against First Nations people- adding to and continuing the horrible racist history in Canada. People are often picked up for no crime at all and left to freeze to death. Also people with cognitive disabilities and mental health diagnosis have been targeted. MFM covered these cases in episode 251!

  • Kristina
    Kristina Hawaii
    Is there any more information about Terrance’s car keys? The cemetery witnesses say they saw him with the keys and then tossed them away. Did anyone find the keys tossed in the yard? Caulkins says he found them in the car , which is possible, but if they were found out of the car, what why would he have tossed them? He admits seeing them and they were in the car. So why wilder he leave them there or give to tower?! 🤔 What was the time period from the call with the dispatcher to the time he wrote his report? Seems awfully strange for him not to recall ANYTHING about the day but then be so specific on his reports. Or even vice versa if his report was written before the call, how could you experience this day, document all of it, then not remember anything on the phone. Ugh. It’s so frustrating. Clearly this encounter and events with the car took up a few hours of your shift...but can’t remember huh? I hate people.

    Is there any more information about Terrance’s car keys?
    The cemetery witnesses say they saw him with the keys and then tossed them away.
    Did anyone find the keys tossed in the yard?
    Caulkins says he found them in the car , which is possible, but if they were found out of the car, what why would he have tossed them? He admits seeing them and they were in the car. So why wilder he leave them there or give to tower?! 🤔

    What was the time period from the call with the dispatcher to the time he wrote his report? Seems awfully strange for him not to recall ANYTHING about the day but then be so specific on his reports.
    Or even vice versa if his report was written before the call, how could you experience this day, document all of it, then not remember anything on the phone.
    Ugh. It’s so frustrating. Clearly this encounter and events with the car took up a few hours of your shift...but can’t remember huh? I hate people.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    @ Kristina - Calkins never wrote a report for the Terrance incident. That makes it more difficult because the lack of a report. However one would think that would make this event that took place just 4 days before the dispatcher calls Calkins house and ask about the event. Calkins says he let the TW off, returned to the car and never found the paperwork and then he felt duped and went to look for TW. I think he found him - he says not. Regardless this makes the event so much more memorable for Calkins. Cheers Nic

    @ Kristina - Calkins never wrote a report for the Terrance incident. That makes it more difficult because the lack of a report. However one would think that would make this event that took place just 4 days before the dispatcher calls Calkins house and ask about the event. Calkins says he let the TW off, returned to the car and never found the paperwork and then he felt duped and went to look for TW. I think he found him - he says not. Regardless this makes the event so much more memorable for Calkins.
    Cheers Nic

  • Nurse Doyer
    Nurse Doyer Norfolk, Virgina
    To the Colonel, thank you for your use of the word undocumented. Captain, I love you, but please drop the word Illegal when referring to a human being. I am from San Diego, CA and recently moved to VA courtesy of the US Navy. I am Mexican-Salvi American. I grew up around undocumented folx. My ex was a dreamer (Dream Act/DACA) who was brought to the US at the age of four. When he began driving, he did not have a license and drove extremely carefully. He did have insurance on his vehicle which was in his step dads name. He had to work and go to college though, no way around it. Once at the age of 18, he was pulled over and his car was impounded and he was given a citation for driving without a license. Most of the time, people are not arrested. At least in southern CA. Later on in his 20s, he received a ticket for speeding and the officer was understanding and did not impound his vehicle. If the officer/CHP wants to be a real asshole, they can choose to get border patrol involved. Bottom line is, the majority of undocumented folx are here to work and migration is a human right. It is much more complex than most people know. What would you do to save your family? Keep your children from starving? Anyway, I love your show, and now that I’m on the East Coast I think about how I’m closer to you both, haha! And not in a creepy way, I assure you. Also, low key, But every time I the captain speak I just go “Splooshhh”. Have a good day, guys!

    To the Colonel, thank you for your use of the word undocumented. Captain, I love you, but please drop the word Illegal when referring to a human being. I am from San Diego, CA and recently moved to VA courtesy of the US Navy. I am Mexican-Salvi American. I grew up around undocumented folx. My ex was a dreamer (Dream Act/DACA) who was brought to the US at the age of four. When he began driving, he did not have a license and drove extremely carefully. He did have insurance on his vehicle which was in his step dads name. He had to work and go to college though, no way around it. Once at the age of 18, he was pulled over and his car was impounded and he was given a citation for driving without a license. Most of the time, people are not arrested. At least in southern CA. Later on in his 20s, he received a ticket for speeding and the officer was understanding and did not impound his vehicle. If the officer/CHP wants to be a real asshole, they can choose to get border patrol involved. Bottom line is, the majority of undocumented folx are here to work and migration is a human right. It is much more complex than most people know. What would you do to save your family? Keep your children from starving? Anyway, I love your show, and now that I’m on the East Coast I think about how I’m closer to you both, haha! And not in a creepy way, I assure you. Also, low key, But every time I the captain speak I just go “Splooshhh”. Have a good day, guys!

  • AT
    AT NENC
    I’m a bit late to the forum here, but with regards to other listeners’ comments regarding missing persons in Collier County: I just read in Wired mag about the internet mystery surrounding an AT hiker dubbed “Mostly Harmless” that went off the grid in NY in 2017 and was found dead in Collier County FL (at or near the AT) weighing only 83lbs. Genetics and online sluething ended up filling in the missing bits (too much for me to tell here!). I don’t think this man is connected to Caulkin or anything but the Mostly Harmless man mystery perked my ears up due to the fact that the case fell to Collier County and the guy went off the grid in 2017. Anyway if interested the wired article is “The Unsettling Truth About the ‘Mostly Harmless’ Hiker.” Accessed via apple news. Apologies to everyone who’s already familiar with the case! I agree with comments regarding the somewhat callous and possibly racist (couldn’t understand much of some of the calls) nature of the phone calls between members of the department. I know that LE develop callouses to all the mess they have to see and deal with but c’mon, show some old fashioned charity, it might do you good as well as those you come into contact with. At the least they should remember that their calls are being recorded! Thank you TCG, I hope things will come to light in the lifetime of the Williams and Santos families. 4 kids growing up without their dad!

    I’m a bit late to the forum here, but with regards to other listeners’ comments regarding missing persons in Collier County: I just read in Wired mag about the internet mystery surrounding an AT hiker dubbed “Mostly Harmless” that went off the grid in NY in 2017 and was found dead in Collier County FL (at or near the AT) weighing only 83lbs. Genetics and online sluething ended up filling in the missing bits (too much for me to tell here!). I don’t think this man is connected to Caulkin or anything but the Mostly Harmless man mystery perked my ears up due to the fact that the case fell to Collier County and the guy went off the grid in 2017. Anyway if interested the wired article is “The Unsettling Truth About the ‘Mostly Harmless’ Hiker.” Accessed via apple news. Apologies to everyone who’s already familiar with the case!
    I agree with comments regarding the somewhat callous and possibly racist (couldn’t understand much of some of the calls) nature of the phone calls between members of the department. I know that LE develop callouses to all the mess they have to see and deal with but c’mon, show some old fashioned charity, it might do you good as well as those you come into contact with. At the least they should remember that their calls are being recorded!
    Thank you TCG, I hope things will come to light in the lifetime of the Williams and Santos families. 4 kids growing up without their dad!

  • Robert
    Robert BFE
    If I'm not mistaken when the dispatcher called the officers house on his day off, his wife answered and said "yes and no he's a little muddy". Could it be that he wasn't being himself, or that he is leaving the house periodically and came home covered in mud?

    If I'm not mistaken when the dispatcher called the officers house on his day off, his wife answered and said "yes and no he's a little muddy". Could it be that he wasn't being himself, or that he is leaving the house periodically and came home covered in mud?

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Hi Robert - the call is hard to hear but I think she is making a joke and saying he's a little nutty. Is Steve there? Well yes and no, he's a little nutty but he's here. - I'm kind of guessing though, Nic

    Hi Robert - the call is hard to hear but I think she is making a joke and saying he's a little nutty.
    Is Steve there?
    Well yes and no, he's a little nutty but he's here.
    - I'm kind of guessing though, Nic

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