TRUE CRIME GARAGE Q&A ////// 15

True Crime Garage -Q&A 

Bonus Episode. With so many questions coming in we figured we would take a minute let the tape keep rolling and record a bonus episode. We know many of our listeners do so at work. Hopefully this makes the work week a little better. Much love and thanks for the support. 

Each week Nic and the Captain fire up the true crime garage flying ship fueled with beer, great discussion and listener participation. The garage covers a new case each week from headline news to local real life horror stories. Discussions about Serial killers like Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer and BTK, cold cases like Jonbenet Ramsy, OJ Simpson and the Zodiac, disappearances, missing persons and unsolved mysteries are all on tap along with craft beers from all over the world. If you like to kick back and have a little fun with your true crime than this show is for you and your friends. Remember don't take yourself too seriously because if you do, nobody else will. 
www.truecrimegarage.com

Beer for this episode was ABC extra stout. 

Nic & Captain 

23 comments

  • mrs. eccentric
    mrs. eccentric california, usa
    Fun show! I just about swallowed my dentures when you brought up cold case cameron, tho. He sounds fairly legit on first glance, but then he starts talking about how Edwards started killing at age 9 or 12 (?); he does all this because he's a Satanist; he not only kills people but frames others for the murder (he does this by grooming the fall guy for months beforehand so he has access to their DNA, schedule, and other elements needed for the frame job); he needs to get in media coverage for every single murder he has committed; also apparently Edwards manages to make all of his murders the subject of national attention (zodiac, jon benet ramsey, steve avery, etc.). How does Edward fund all this? Why has Cameron not been able to convince any other police department of any of this, i'm sure Vallejo would love to close the Zodiac case for example. It would be more believeable if Edwards was killing hobos or something, people who are hard to keep track of and no one notices they're missing. But Cameron makes the whole thing so insanely convoluted, with little to no hard evidence, i can't buy any of it. Between Cameron and the "Zodiac was a HOAX!" guy it's like unending agita.......tension in the garage, hahah! Love you guys, steph

    Fun show! I just about swallowed my dentures when you brought up cold case cameron, tho. He sounds fairly legit on first glance, but then he starts talking about how Edwards started killing at age 9 or 12 (?); he does all this because he's a Satanist; he not only kills people but frames others for the murder (he does this by grooming the fall guy for months beforehand so he has access to their DNA, schedule, and other elements needed for the frame job); he needs to get in media coverage for every single murder he has committed; also apparently Edwards manages to make all of his murders the subject of national attention (zodiac, jon benet ramsey, steve avery, etc.).

    How does Edward fund all this? Why has Cameron not been able to convince any other police department of any of this, i'm sure Vallejo would love to close the Zodiac case for example. It would be more believeable if Edwards was killing hobos or something, people who are hard to keep track of and no one notices they're missing. But Cameron makes the whole thing so insanely convoluted, with little to no hard evidence, i can't buy any of it.

    Between Cameron and the "Zodiac was a HOAX!" guy it's like unending agita.......tension in the garage, hahah! Love you guys, steph

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Steph thanks for enjoying the show. It's definitely hard to believe all that is true but I still find his interviews interesting. Much love to you. -Captain

    Steph thanks for enjoying the show. It's definitely hard to believe all that is true but I still find his interviews interesting. Much love to you.
    -Captain

  • mrs. eccentric
    mrs. eccentric california, usa
    Much love back! well, one of the reasons i enjoy your show so much (aside from the galactically groovy tunes) is that you do good research and stay focused on facts - not just 'well this is what it said on wikipedia' facts, but digging down into 'How is it that we know this?'. Which is rare. That said, rampant unhinged speculation can be interesting as well ;) Have a great day! p.s. can't believe i put this on the wrong thread! fiddle.

    Much love back!

    well, one of the reasons i enjoy your show so much (aside from the galactically groovy tunes) is that you do good research and stay focused on facts - not just 'well this is what it said on wikipedia' facts, but digging down into 'How is it that we know this?'. Which is rare. That said, rampant unhinged speculation can be interesting as well wink Have a great day!

    p.s. can't believe i put this on the wrong thread! fiddle.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Facts are better for sure. Some cases don't have much to go on so you need to speculate to come up with leads. Thank you again -Captain

    Facts are better for sure. Some cases don't have much to go on so you need to speculate to come up with leads. Thank you again
    -Captain

  • Kevin
    Kevin Gothenburg, Sweden
    You guys rock so hard! I listen to every episode with my headphones (for crisper audio) always in the dark of night (for creepy ambiance) my eyes closed, beer in hand, just to try to get the feel i'm in the garage with you.. Would soo love to be a sit in guest, (so when you decide to do your Sweden special, hit us up plz. ?) Keep on keeping on, love the work you do!

    You guys rock so hard! I listen to every episode with my headphones (for crisper audio) always in the dark of night (for creepy ambiance) my eyes closed, beer in hand, just to try to get the feel i'm in the garage with you.. Would soo love to be a sit in guest, (so when you decide to do your Sweden special, hit us up plz. ?) Keep on keeping on, love the work you do!

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Kevin thank you so much. When we are in Sweden we will hit you up haha Captain

    Kevin thank you so much. When we are in Sweden we will hit you up haha
    Captain

  • Dan Zupansky
    Dan Zupansky
    Great, entertaining podcast Nic and the Captain! Thank you for the rave review-it was very flattering. 'The Godfather of true crime'-I loved that Your podcast I found very humorous, very interesting and very entertaining-you guys have a good rapport and overall the show is very professional. I definitely will listen to other episodes, a fan of true Murder informed me of your podcast and I am interested in hearing about cases you cover I haven't heard about. There is a wonderful dynamic between the two of you-you make a great true crime team. Count me in as your newest fan!

    Great, entertaining podcast Nic and the Captain! Thank you for the rave review-it was very flattering. 'The Godfather of true crime'-I loved that Your podcast I found very humorous, very interesting and very entertaining-you guys have a good rapport and overall the show is very professional. I definitely will listen to other episodes, a fan of true Murder informed me of your podcast and I am interested in hearing about cases you cover I haven't heard about. There is a wonderful dynamic between the two of you-you make a great true crime team. Count me in as your newest fan!

  • Ruth
    Ruth KY
    Love the podcast! I was very grateful to learn more about y'all. Also, ever tried anything from Portsmouth Brewing Co.? I love their beers. They also make a killer pizza if you're ever in Southern OH. Your mention of Dan Zupansky spurred a chick to comment on his page about your shout-out, I chimed in with the episode. Here's what he had to say, "Dan Zupansky: I just checked it out-Great podcast-I will check out past episodes. Very nice shout out to me and True Murder". :-)

    Love the podcast! I was very grateful to learn more about y'all. Also, ever tried anything from Portsmouth Brewing Co.? I love their beers. They also make a killer pizza if you're ever in Southern OH.

    Your mention of Dan Zupansky spurred a chick to comment on his page about your shout-out, I chimed in with the episode. Here's what he had to say, "Dan Zupansky: I just checked it out-Great podcast-I will check out past episodes. Very nice shout out to me and True Murder". :-)

  • Jody Mead
    Jody Mead Salt Lake City, Utah
    Great show and comradery. I heard about you through a comment on the 'God Father of True Crime'-Dan Zupansky's (yes, cool name) True Crime pod cast. Thanks Nic and Captain. Great and fun podcast. Now I want a stout :) I'll start from the beginning and listen to more. :)

    Great show and comradery. I heard about you through a comment on the 'God Father of True Crime'-Dan Zupansky's (yes, cool name) True Crime pod cast. Thanks Nic and Captain. Great and fun podcast. Now I want a stout smile I'll start from the beginning and listen to more. smile

  • Courtney Mahan
    Courtney Mahan Springfield, Mo
    I just listened to the Q & A....I know I know I am usually chomping at the bit to listen to a new podcast but I was busy with mom valentines duty all week. I loved getting to know you two a little better!!! I too hate the litter bugs...fuck those guys. And Cap'n I wouldn't judge you at all of smoked more than the occasional cigarette or cigar;-). Much love to you guys!!! Keep it up

    I just listened to the Q & A....I know I know I am usually chomping at the bit to listen to a new podcast but I was busy with mom valentines duty all week. I loved getting to know you two a little better!!! I too hate the litter bugs...fuck those guys. And Cap'n I wouldn't judge you at all of smoked more than the occasional cigarette or cigar;-). Much love to you guys!!! Keep it up

  • Courtney
    Courtney
    Hey guys I just NOW listened to the Q&A episode...normally I am giddy like a prom queen getting fingered for the first time to listen to these and I gobble them up like candy, but alas I was super busy with mom duty this week and Valentine class parties for my kids. I loved getting to know you two a little better, I too hate litter bugs(those a-holes) and Cap'n if you smoked something a little stronger..well I wouldn't judge you harshly lol. Much love to you and your show!!!❤️

    Hey guys I just NOW listened to the Q&A episode...normally I am giddy like a prom queen getting fingered for the first time to listen to these and I gobble them up like candy, but alas I was super busy with mom duty this week and Valentine class parties for my kids. I loved getting to know you two a little better, I too hate litter bugs(those a-holes) and Cap'n if you smoked something a little stronger..well I wouldn't judge you harshly lol. Much love to you and your show!!!❤️

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Courtney we had a lot of fun doing that Epsiode. Hopefully more questions come in and we do more of those. That's for being a giddy prom queen and thanks for listening. Much love captain

    Courtney we had a lot of fun doing that Epsiode. Hopefully more questions come in and we do more of those. That's for being a giddy prom queen and thanks for listening. Much love
    captain

  • Vicki
    Vicki
    Great show! Only question I'm still curious about is the one about if you could solve any case out there that remains a mystery, which one would it be? Or if that's too hard, the top 3. Thanks for answering the others. Great to see Dan Zupansky here in the comments and if you happen to read just want to say I'm also a big fan of your show. Love to see you try and interview Scott Whisnant about his book "Innocent Victims" regarding the Tim Hennis case. The book is a very quick read though it today needs an update but he is still involved and blames himself for Tim's current condition. Complex history making case and I do think we have some hanky panky with the crime lab perhaps planting the new DNA evidence. NC had their crime lab audited over the improprieties that went on and many people fired, including the person who originally worked on Tim's case. The only physical evidence they have is this 'new' dna evidence found suddenly among the evidence. In 1985 the tech said all the evidence from the vag. swab was used up, but then they suddenly found this new tube. But then the Army's lab had VASTLY different odds that it was him. The crime scene evidence box had the words "SUSPECT HENNIS" written on the side of the box. There is skin underneath the nails of 2 victims that doesn't match him. He was acquitted and now was sent to death row by the Army, the first time something like this has happened (trial after acquittal claiming it's okay since the Army is a different jurisdiction). You have had people on your show that proved that crime labs have set people up at the behest of the state (and SBI was investigated and exposed for doing this very thing). So if you see this, I hope you'll try and contact Scott and see if he will talk to you. It may lead to a reprint of his book, though I hope he is working on updating it with the new information. And to Nic and Cap'n, hope you don't get annoyed at my trying to reach Dan thru your site. This case goes for you too to look into if you are interested. I really think he may be innocent. I reached out to Dan as a fan because I know that what he does is interview authors and I'd love to hear Scott's view on all these new developments. I won't do it again (I don't think or I'll try not to. I'l be good, lol.) I do think of all the podcasts I've listened to, Nic is the most informed on the cases explored. Very thorough and as I said in an email once, you know your stuff in regards to true crime. It's great! And I noticed that the Cap'n is informed on the ones he is interested in such as the Moonlight Phantom. It makes sense if true crime isn't on the same obsession level as Nic's, lol. I went back and listened to the Phantom episode again, and wow it's so full of information. What a great opener. As I was listening, I started wondering about Doodie and his suicide, and then the suicide of his friend later. It seems he didn't know why, or didn't want to tell why. I started wondering, what if he were gay? People still do that today, but back in the 40s this would have been such a difficult thing for him. What if his friend James and him both were? In those days, would it have been better for his family to think he killed people than admit he was gay? Or it could be said that the reason he went after couples and did what was done to the women, which seemed awkward, was from trying to subvert those feelings or trying to make himself feel something he didn't (hence the rape with the gun barrell). Was the remark about being in love with a 12 year old just for show? It just seems odd that he did this at such a young age and didn't seem to have a good reason or kept changing the reason. I bet there were probably a lot of suicides back then that's real reason was that but would never be disclosed (that's the reason for the suicide in the first place.) Very sad. Just something that occurred to me as one of a lot of possibilities to mull over.

    Great show! Only question I'm still curious about is the one about if you could solve any case out there that remains a mystery, which one would it be? Or if that's too hard, the top 3. Thanks for answering the others.

    Great to see Dan Zupansky here in the comments and if you happen to read just want to say I'm also a big fan of your show. Love to see you try and interview Scott Whisnant about his book "Innocent Victims" regarding the Tim Hennis case. The book is a very quick read though it today needs an update but he is still involved and blames himself for Tim's current condition. Complex history making case and I do think we have some hanky panky with the crime lab perhaps planting the new DNA evidence. NC had their crime lab audited over the improprieties that went on and many people fired, including the person who originally worked on Tim's case. The only physical evidence they have is this 'new' dna evidence found suddenly among the evidence. In 1985 the tech said all the evidence from the vag. swab was used up, but then they suddenly found this new tube. But then the Army's lab had VASTLY different odds that it was him. The crime scene evidence box had the words "SUSPECT HENNIS" written on the side of the box. There is skin underneath the nails of 2 victims that doesn't match him. He was acquitted and now was sent to death row by the Army, the first time something like this has happened (trial after acquittal claiming it's okay since the Army is a different jurisdiction). You have had people on your show that proved that crime labs have set people up at the behest of the state (and SBI was investigated and exposed for doing this very thing). So if you see this, I hope you'll try and contact Scott and see if he will talk to you. It may lead to a reprint of his book, though I hope he is working on updating it with the new information.

    And to Nic and Cap'n, hope you don't get annoyed at my trying to reach Dan thru your site. This case goes for you too to look into if you are interested. I really think he may be innocent. I reached out to Dan as a fan because I know that what he does is interview authors and I'd love to hear Scott's view on all these new developments. I won't do it again (I don't think or I'll try not to. I'l be good, lol.)

    I do think of all the podcasts I've listened to, Nic is the most informed on the cases explored. Very thorough and as I said in an email once, you know your stuff in regards to true crime. It's great! And I noticed that the Cap'n is informed on the ones he is interested in such as the Moonlight Phantom. It makes sense if true crime isn't on the same obsession level as Nic's, lol. I went back and listened to the Phantom episode again, and wow it's so full of information. What a great opener. As I was listening, I started wondering about Doodie and his suicide, and then the suicide of his friend later. It seems he didn't know why, or didn't want to tell why. I started wondering, what if he were gay? People still do that today, but back in the 40s this would have been such a difficult thing for him. What if his friend James and him both were? In those days, would it have been better for his family to think he killed people than admit he was gay? Or it could be said that the reason he went after couples and did what was done to the women, which seemed awkward, was from trying to subvert those feelings or trying to make himself feel something he didn't (hence the rape with the gun barrell). Was the remark about being in love with a 12 year old just for show? It just seems odd that he did this at such a young age and didn't seem to have a good reason or kept changing the reason. I bet there were probably a lot of suicides back then that's real reason was that but would never be disclosed (that's the reason for the suicide in the first place.) Very sad.

    Just something that occurred to me as one of a lot of possibilities to mull over.

  • Doug
    Doug
    I just listened to the episode on Ed Gein. I had an opportunity to meet Ed. At that time I was a grad student in Oshkosh and had a internship at Waushara Co. Guidance Center. The psychiatrist was George Arndt which was referenced in the podcast. He was also a psychiatrist on staff at Central State which housed Ed at the time. He invited me another student to accompany his to the hospital/prison to meet Ed. Generally, Ed was a small statured individual with a very pleasant demeanor, smiling frequently. I shook hands with Ed and noticed how soft his hands were. Dr. Arndt also was the author of a paper titled "A Community's Reaction to a Traumatic Event". The major premise was that Plainfield used jokes to sublimate their guilt of having Ed as one of theirs. I remember some of the jokes as: What was Ed Gein's license plate number? 0ICU812, and What was Ed Gein's favorite Christmas cookie? Ladyfingers etc. A also met a number of individuals that actually knew Ed as this took place in about 1975. I also met the sheriff that slammed Ed into a wall. Anyway, 1975 was a long time back and I enjoyed the podcast and all the interesting memories it brought back.

    I just listened to the episode on Ed Gein. I had an opportunity to meet Ed. At that time I was a grad student in Oshkosh and had a internship at Waushara Co. Guidance Center. The psychiatrist was George Arndt which was referenced in the podcast. He was also a psychiatrist on staff at Central State which housed Ed at the time. He invited me another student to accompany his to the hospital/prison to meet Ed. Generally, Ed was a small statured individual with a very pleasant demeanor, smiling frequently. I shook hands with Ed and noticed how soft his hands were. Dr. Arndt also was the author of a paper titled "A Community's Reaction to a Traumatic Event". The major premise was that Plainfield used jokes to sublimate their guilt of having Ed as one of theirs. I remember some of the jokes as: What was Ed Gein's license plate number? 0ICU812, and What was Ed Gein's favorite Christmas cookie? Ladyfingers etc. A also met a number of individuals that actually knew Ed as this took place in about 1975. I also met the sheriff that slammed Ed into a wall. Anyway, 1975 was a long time back and I enjoyed the podcast and all the interesting memories it brought back.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Doug, thanks for the insight and the interesting memories. I love the license plate joke as that is a similar title to a very good Van Halen album. Well Van Hagar album. Cheers, Nic

    Doug, thanks for the insight and the interesting memories. I love the license plate joke as that is a similar title to a very good Van Halen album. Well Van Hagar album.
    Cheers, Nic

  • Marissa
    Marissa Indiana
    I enjoy the podcast. I can't make out what the captain says. Something that sounds like what's your jib????

    I enjoy the podcast. I can't make out what the captain says. Something that sounds like what's your jib????

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Marissa, I like your jib! Cheers, Nic

    Marissa, I like your jib!
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Suzanne
    Suzanne Austi, TX
    Wow! I love your podcast guys. I just finished listening, for the second time, to the Brandon Lawson case. I can't believe nobody mentioned whether anything was reported happening in that area that night. I will assume no, since it wasn't mentioned, and that leads me to beleive that no state trooper was involved, although it seems that is what he says. This only makes the whole thing more frightening. I'm haunted by that 911 call. Keep up all the excellent work. One complaint, you fellas sound fairly bright which leaves me totally dismayed when I hear you say things like drawl or sawl, we draw a picture and we saw picture. Sorry, it just makes me crazy.

    Wow! I love your podcast guys. I just finished listening, for the second time, to the Brandon Lawson case. I can't believe nobody mentioned whether anything was reported happening in that area that night. I will assume no, since it wasn't mentioned, and that leads me to beleive that no state trooper was involved, although it seems that is what he says. This only makes the whole thing more frightening. I'm haunted by that 911 call. Keep up all the excellent work. One complaint, you fellas sound fairly bright which leaves me totally dismayed when I hear you say things like drawl or sawl, we draw a picture and we saw picture. Sorry, it just makes me crazy.

  • True Crime Garage
    True Crime Garage
    Thanks Suzanne, no nothing regarding a state trooper was reported in that area that night. Sorry about the weird talk, I got to blame it on my Ohio talk. Cheers, Nic

    Thanks Suzanne, no nothing regarding a state trooper was reported in that area that night. Sorry about the weird talk, I got to blame it on my Ohio talk.
    Cheers,
    Nic

  • Ashley Lit
    Ashley Lit Charlotte NC
    I like yo jib!.... I think. What does this mean exactly? Love the show! <3

    I like yo jib!.... I think. What does this mean exactly? Love the show! <3

  • carlos
    carlos tijuana, MX
    Hey you guys, Just wanna say I love the show, I always listen to it while I'm having my morning coffee at work In fact a couple of my co-workers also started listening because of that. Keep up the good episodes! And I recommend you try Ballast point Victory at sea.

    Hey you guys,
    Just wanna say I love the show, I always listen to it while I'm having my morning coffee at work
    In fact a couple of my co-workers also started listening because of that.
    Keep up the good episodes!

    And I recommend you try Ballast point Victory at sea.

  • Jill
    Jill Zionsville, IN
    Just listened to eps 245 &amp; 246 story of Michael Franke, I tried to look for your blog to post this, but this was the only place I could find to suggest I feel you left out a very obvious scenario since the car door was left open. The scenario I thought that was most obvious than anything else, was that someone that he was going to expose or someone paid from one of the corrupt persons he was about to expose was paid or themselves were shuffling through the car looking for his laptop and briefcase to get rid of all evidence to blow the whistle on these corrupt government workers, didn't find one what they were looking for. Knew which way and about what time Michael gets off and waits for Michael and attacks him. Or vice versa, waits for Michael, killed Michael, took his briefcase and laptop, and then took the key to Michael's car to make sure that there were no more paper evidence.

    Just listened to eps 245 & 246 story of Michael Franke, I tried to look for your blog to post this, but this was the only place I could find to suggest I feel you left out a very obvious scenario since the car door was left open. The scenario I thought that was most obvious than anything else, was that someone that he was going to expose or someone paid from one of the corrupt persons he was about to expose was paid or themselves were shuffling through the car looking for his laptop and briefcase to get rid of all evidence to blow the whistle on these corrupt government workers, didn't find one what they were looking for. Knew which way and about what time Michael gets off and waits for Michael and attacks him. Or vice versa, waits for Michael, killed Michael, took his briefcase and laptop, and then took the key to Michael's car to make sure that there were no more paper evidence.

  • Tess
    Tess Parts unknown
    I’m gonna tell a story, maybe it’s the reason I struggle with unresolved cases or maybe it explains my interest in the psychopathy of true crime. When I was 15 years old I started my first legitimate job, working at a movie theater. In orientation, I met a girl who quickly became my best friend. Her name was Cassie. She lived a totally different life than I did. Her step dad was her boyfriends dad. Her mom and him had fallen in love after meeting through my friend and her boyfriend. They all lived together with her little brother. We hung out a lot and made sure to always have the same work shifts. Cassie loved to tell us crazy stories about her step and and his shady boss. The stories always felt so hard to believe. Then the stories turned from stories to reaching out to us for some kind of help.. or out of perceived fear. She started telling us that her parents had become police informants for a shady guy and that her step dad and mom were constantly talking about what might happen. To us, her friends, it sounded too much like lifetime time be real life so we let her tell her stories and tried to comfort her however 15 year old kids can comfort a friend who’s parents are fearing for their safety. Cassie and I had decided to have a sleepover one night and got it approved with all parents. The plan was, I was to work while Cassie and her little brother would come watch a movie, since she was off that night. After my shift was over, her step dad was to pick us up. For the life of me, I cannot remember why or what happened but my dad got in touch with me to let me know I would not being going to the sleepover and that he would be there to pick me up after my shift. I told Cassie and as bummed as we both were, it wasn’t worth risking not being able to make a future sleepover happen to press the issue much further. We stood in the hallway while her brother and her finished a pretzel and talked until I had to get back to work and they had to go back into the movie. My dad came and picked me up as promised. I missed Cassie and her brother leaving but figured since we were supposed to working together the next morning we’d just talk then. That night, Cassie, her little brother, step father, mother, and boyfriend were all Executed in their home. Killed by a man trying to cover up an insurance scam. 5 lives lost for nothing more than a scam. I never realized how close to a monster I was when I was younger. I grieved the loss of my friend and struggled with all the warning signs and all the stories she told us. She predicted her killer coming for her family and told us about it. Her family invited me into the home many times before but the one night something impeded our plans, her entire family was wiped out by this monster. When I started having my own children and reflected back on this one pivotal moment in my life, first looking back in grief but finally realizing years after, what my parents had realized then... how easily I could have been included in that massacre. I’ve spent many years waiting for someone to cover this story in the way it deserves to be covered. Little to no coverage has been done on this. He was caught and convicted. Playing the system all the while. The duffys and lovalls weren’t perfect people but they certainly didn’t deserve what happened to them. The case, evidence, and crime details are all available through Arizona’s court docs. I’ve not yet brought myself to read through them. I want to remember Cassie and her family as I knew them. My dad and my friends collective parents refused to let us talk to anyone about what Cassie and her brother had shared with us outside of the initial police questions when they came to our place of work. I’ll never forget hearing about her death as if it were gossip as I walked into the break room at work. I’ll never forget that goofy, weird, loud, beautiful, imaginative, loving girl who changed my life and who’s life was cut short by a monster for nothing more than money.

    I’m gonna tell a story, maybe it’s the reason I struggle with unresolved cases or maybe it explains my interest in the psychopathy of true crime.

    When I was 15 years old I started my first legitimate job, working at a movie theater.
    In orientation, I met a girl who quickly became my best friend.
    Her name was Cassie.
    She lived a totally different life than I did.
    Her step dad was her boyfriends dad. Her mom and him had fallen in love after meeting through my friend and her boyfriend.
    They all lived together with her little brother.
    We hung out a lot and made sure to always have the same work shifts.
    Cassie loved to tell us crazy stories about her step and and his shady boss.
    The stories always felt so hard to believe.
    Then the stories turned from stories to reaching out to us for some kind of help.. or out of perceived fear.
    She started telling us that her parents had become police informants for a shady guy and that her step dad and mom were constantly talking about what might happen.
    To us, her friends, it sounded too much like lifetime time be real life so we let her tell her stories and tried to comfort her however 15 year old kids can comfort a friend who’s parents are fearing for their safety.
    Cassie and I had decided to have a sleepover one night and got it approved with all parents.
    The plan was, I was to work while Cassie and her little brother would come watch a movie, since she was off that night.
    After my shift was over, her step dad was to pick us up.
    For the life of me, I cannot remember why or what happened but my dad got in touch with me to let me know I would not being going to the sleepover and that he would be there to pick me up after my shift.
    I told Cassie and as bummed as we both were, it wasn’t worth risking not being able to make a future sleepover happen to press the issue much further.
    We stood in the hallway while her brother and her finished a pretzel and talked until I had to get back to work and they had to go back into the movie.

    My dad came and picked me up as promised.
    I missed Cassie and her brother leaving but figured since we were supposed to working together the next morning we’d just talk then.

    That night, Cassie, her little brother, step father, mother, and boyfriend were all Executed in their home.

    Killed by a man trying to cover up an insurance scam.
    5 lives lost for nothing more than a scam.
    I never realized how close to a monster I was when I was younger. I grieved the loss of my friend and struggled with all the warning signs and all the stories she told us.
    She predicted her killer coming for her family and told us about it.
    Her family invited me into the home many times before but the one night something impeded our plans, her entire family was wiped out by this monster.
    When I started having my own children and reflected back on this one pivotal moment in my life, first looking back in grief but finally realizing years after, what my parents had realized then... how easily I could have been included in that massacre.

    I’ve spent many years waiting for someone to cover this story in the way it deserves to be covered.
    Little to no coverage has been done on this.

    He was caught and convicted. Playing the system all the while.

    The duffys and lovalls weren’t perfect people but they certainly didn’t deserve what happened to them.

    The case, evidence, and crime details are all available through Arizona’s court docs.

    I’ve not yet brought myself to read through them.
    I want to remember Cassie and her family as I knew them.

    My dad and my friends collective parents refused to let us talk to anyone about what Cassie and her brother had shared with us outside of the initial police questions when they came to our place of work.

    I’ll never forget hearing about her death as if it were gossip as I walked into the break room at work.

    I’ll never forget that goofy, weird, loud, beautiful, imaginative, loving girl who changed my life and who’s life was cut short by a monster for nothing more than money.

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